Cleric/wizard spontaneously dropping arcane spells for cures?

[mikebr99]

I think he's pointing out that any bard who knows Cure X Wounds can already cast it spontaneous.

They're spontaneous casters, you know ...

oops... right.


Mike

 

[Darth K'Trava]

By strict construction, from the quote you gave from the rules, YES, she should be able to. But, remember that Rule 0 is in the rulebook - if the DM thinks it will imbalance the game to make it less fun or challenging, that trumps the reading of any rule.

I personally don't see it as that imbalanced - a level of Wizard that she took COULD have been a level of Cleric if she had wanted, so the difference is negligible. If anything, Wizard spells usually pack more combat punch, IMO, so it is actually not to her advantage to do this unless she has to.

Maybe you'd only want to let her do this with Arcane spells up to the same level as the Cleric spells she has - i.e. If she only has 3rd level Cleric spells, she can only convert up to 3rd level Arcane spells, the idea being that if she doesn't have access to 4th level healing yet, she doesn't have it under ANY circumstances yet....

Hey, Torm, ya tried that for yourself?

I'd say "no", even with "Rule 0". But if, like Torm said, you want it in your campaign then go for it.... The ability should only be there if you have the capability of casting the spell in question..... next thing, someone'd be askin' if a cleric can cast Fireball...... :\

 

[Arkham]

One of the prerequisites for that feat is the ability to vast cure wounds spells.

So that means no wizard can use it.
It is meant for Druids and Bards

There is another feat in Complete Divine that lets an
arcane caster gain a Domain and learn the spells from
that Domain as she normally learns spells ( entering
them in her spellbook, etc. )

 

[ThirdWizard]

I think he's pointing out that any bard who knows Cure X Wounds can already cast it spontaneously.

They're spontaneous casters, you know ...

No... they arn't.

Spontaneous Casting: The special ability of a cleric to drop a prepared spell (but not a domain spell) to gain a cure or inflict spell of the same level or lower, or of a druid...

What sorcerers and bards do is cast spells without preparation, not cast spontaneously. Pet peeve of mine.

By the way, I was ripping my hair out when I read a comment in the Complete Adventurer that made the same mistake. One of the new base classes. It was all I could do not to write a very nasty email... which I'm still debating, mind you.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Sorry, Third, but you're splitting some pretty fine hairs there; also, you're wrong. In D&D parlance, there are two kinds of casters: spontaneous casters and prepared casters.

It may not be a rules term, but it certainly is a game term.

Moreover,

Most spellcasters prepare their spells in advance—whether from a spellbook or through devout prayers and meditation— while some cast spells spontaneously without preparation.

A bard casts spells spontaneously. Thus, he is a spontaneous caster.

 

[ThirdWizard]

In that case the SRD is using the term incorrectly.

Nowhere in the Bard nor Sorcerer description does it call them spontaneous casters. In the magic section under "Sorcerers and Bards" it does not mention spontaneous anywhere. In the section under "Spontaneous Casting of Cure and Inflict Spells"it talks about spontaneously casting - in place of a prepared spell. I would say that you have found the only place in the entire SRD and Core books that makes any inferrance that bards and sorcerers are spontaneous casters. Where is this from exactly?

And just because most people call them spontaneous casters doesn't mean that they are.

 

[Jdvn1]

In that case the SRD is using the term incorrectly.

So where are you getting your definitions from?

 

[ThirdWizard]

So where are you getting your definitions from?

Where I quoted the definition from. The PHB Glossary.

 

[Jdvn1]

Where I quoted the definition from. The PHB Glossary.

Oh, you only quoted a bit of one definition. I didn't realize you were using that as your basis. Okay, thanks.

 

[ThirdWizard]

Yeah, the definition is kinda long, and I'm lazy, heh... I couldn't find it to copy/paste in the SRD, don't know if there's a glossary in there somewhere buried away or not.