cloak of chaos on lawful eneimes

[the Jester]

Since you can lower your SR at will, I'd say it's kinda silly. But idhmbifom.

 

[Sir Draconion]

ah!! but you can not lower it at will it takes a standered action and it comes back up the next rnd

 

[the Jester]

Humm, good point.

If I had my books I'd have a chance to read cloak of chaos over; then I'd know what I'm talking about.

 

[Berk]

some spells dont get saves like harm (something i choose not to edit because its one of the only things that seem to work against the cleric) and a 8th lvl spell should be pretty powerful they will be getting some bonuses and would they know to choose to save against harmless spell.

well since they know it is somewhat harmless, ie.. a defensive spell, and they know what it does, they will most likely think it will be a hinderance and hence not choose to be subject to it automatically.

 

[coyote6]

SR protects the person that has it; it doesn't interfere with spells cast by the person that has it. If the slaad puts the PCs under a cloak of chaos, then they have SR. Yes, the lawful PC spellcasters will have to overcome their pals' SR when they cast a spell on them -- if SR applies to that spell.

However, the PCs will all get a +4 deflection bonus to AC, and a +4 resistance bonus to saves -- against everybody. They will be immune to possession and mental influence. Any lawful creature that attacks the PCs will have to save or be confused (but I presume the slaad isn't working with anyone else, given the bad guys in Lord of the Iron Fortress). Thus, I don't think this is a good tactic, unless every PC to be affected already has all those abilities or better.

Furthermore, I believe the usage (giving people SR to mess them up) is not what was intended by the spell. It strikes me as cheesy, worthy mainly of eyerolling.





Would you allow players to do the same? Will that cleric be able to cast shield of law in the final battle with the modules villains, and mess them up in a similar fashion? If they came up with the tactic first, would you allow it? Would you complain that it was a munchkin tactic?

 

[Sir Draconion]

my players are munkins, so i must resort to such tactics,
plus what better way for a death slaad "creature of chaos"
to mess with the party. plus all there magic bonus are pretty high,
just think a slaad on archon" a lawful plane"with lawful creatures there to cause trouble for troubles sake it just might be why hes there and who can say what he might do next hes pure chaos

and yes i would let them cast it, but they will never reach the level to do so in this adventure.

maybe nobody though of it that way, so its just cheese to the unknowing.

 

[Number47]

A creature's SR never prevents him from casting spells on himself. The best this tactic does is give the characters a couple benefits in exchange for the penalty of having to overcome SR to cast spells on each other (if they are lawful). Not a munchkin tactic. Barely worth it. Depending on the overall alignment of the party, the slaad could be doing itself more harm than good.

 

[Berk]

If the party is so munchkin just put them up against something that would give them a hard time. Say like, themselves =o) *evil grin*

Nothing better then alternate reality versions of oneself coming after you.

 

[Plane Sailing]

... and a 28 wishes

I think perhaps I've detected one of the problems here...