close quarters vs teleport

[Ryujin]

Doctor Who did it with technology; transmat beam or someone clinging on the outside of the TARDIS. In the latter case the clinger-on became effectively immortal when he did it.

I don't recall it happening in Red Dwarf, but then I missed the last season or two in Canada.

Both Charmed and Harry Potter involved the use of magic, or at least the ability to do so, in order to tag along.

The idea that a class that uses the Martial power source being able to exploit the Arcane power source just seems wrong, to me.

 

[keterys]

Harry Potter involved the use of magic, or at least the ability to do so, in order to tag along.

Not necessarily on the parts of those grabbing on, no. They just went along for the ride with no use of magic on their part.

The idea that a class that uses the Martial power source being able to exploit the Arcane power source just seems wrong, to me.

Does that mean that teleporting wizards have Arcane head lice, Arcane bacteria, Arcane belt buckles, Arcane boots, and every other thing that goes along?

If teleporting worked like Terminator, where only the initiator, and no other organisms or gear, traveled - sure, but that's not at all what we're talking about.

 

[Kingreaper]

Doctor Who did it with technology; transmat beam or someone clinging on the outside of the TARDIS. In the latter case the clinger-on became effectively immortal when he did it.

Clinging on to something teleporting is technology?

No, clinging on to something teleporting is Close Quarters.

Both Charmed and Harry Potter involved the use of magic, or at least the ability to do so, in order to tag along.

If the magic isn't used in the process, it's irrelevant.

The idea that a class that uses the Martial power source being able to exploit the Arcane power source just seems wrong, to me.

So, if someone summons a wall of ice, you shouldn't be able to climb it?
If someone summons a pit to hell, you shouldn't be able to push them in?

Using martial skill to take advantage of or overcome the enemy's magic is a timehonoured tradition.

 

[Ryujin]

A time-honoured tradition that still no one has been able to give a specific example of.

 

[Kingreaper]

A time-honoured tradition that still no one has been able to give a specific example of.

You even acknowledged yourself that it has happened in Doctor Who,

someone clinging on the outside of the TARDIS

and you continue to claim that no examples exist?

I'm not going to find exact episodes/books/etc. and times/page numbers for someone who clearly wishes to deny deny deny. If you can't stand the idea of conan pushing the evil wizard into the maw of his summoned beasty, then you can't stand the idea.

I'll waste no more time on it.

 

[KarinsDad]

and you continue to claim that no examples exist?

And you continue to claim that examples exist.


I'm talking about medieval fantasy.

So far, nobody has come up with an example of Aragorn grabbing the teleporting Saruman and going with him.

It's all been about sci fi, or super heroes, or other genres: none of which are applicable to DND.


I seem to recall one quasi-example of this in the book Elminster's Daughter, but the author explained that Elminster "allowed it" IIRC and it was also a portal, not a teleport.


Course, fictional examples where any author could write anything hardly makes for a good rules interpretation either.

I'm not going to find exact episodes/books/etc. and times/page numbers for someone who clearly wishes to deny deny deny; without reason.

Of course not. You just claimed that there are plenty of examples of it without backing up your claim.

The idea that a class that uses the Martial power source being able to exploit the Arcane power source just seems wrong, to me.

I'm still looking for a power example where someone with the Arcane power source can tag along with a teleport. It's probably there somewhere.


I find it silly that a 10th level Martial Power can compensate for a Teleport when 70% of Teleport powers are higher than 10th level.

I think that any power that overcomes Teleport should explicitly state that it does so. One major aspect of Teleport is to get away from physical hinderances. If a power prevents that major aspect, it should state so. IMO. YMMV.

 

[Ryujin]

There are examples of a teleporter being able to bring a 'passenger' along *voluntarily*. The Eladrin racial Paragon feat "Fey Step Trailblazer" comes immediately to mind.

 

[Ryujin]

You even acknowledged yourself that it has happened in Doctor Who,

and you continue to claim that no examples exist?

I'm not going to find exact episodes/books/etc. and times/page numbers for someone who clearly wishes to deny deny deny. If you can't stand the idea of conan pushing the evil wizard into the maw of his summoned beasty, then you can't stand the idea.

I'll waste no more time on it.

Yes, I made that statement. I also stated that it involved a mechanism; technology. Unless you dig fairly deeply into the Doctor Who lore and are rather lenient, you won't be considering the TARDIS to be a living thing.

Do you have an example of a CREATURE teleporting and bringing along another creature when it doesn't want to? It doesn't seem to be quite as pervasive in literature as people claim.

 

[Flipguarder]

Well... yeah, if you only allow 5 or 6 books under your definition of "literature" sure an example of many things couldn't be found in there.

 

[Ryujin]

I'm still not hearing an example.