Cloud of Knives kills minions?

[ForbidenMaster]

Since neither "Firewall" or "Cloud Kill" require a to hit for them to function they are covered under the likes of the Paladins "Divine Challenge"

Maybe you missed the errata:

Cloudkill [Deletion/Revision]
Player’s Handbook, page 166
Add “Attack: Intelligence vs.
Fortitude” above the Hit line.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdatePH20080610.pdf (PDF)

 

[Rith the Wanderer]

That's not what every minion says though. Specific beats general.

You've got to be kidding. So they just wrote that rule down for fun, and intended it to be ignored because EVERY minion has the "a missed attack never damages a minion" line next to the hp. That is intended as a reminder of the full rule (and honestly unless you are purposely misinterpreting it it actually summarizes it quite well, it is still damaged by effects).

At this point I am lead to believe that you either REALLY don't want to admit your wrong, or you made this entire post just to annoy people.

 

[Mort_Q]

That's not what every minion says though. Specific beats general.

They all say: HP 1; a missed attack never damages a minion.

I disagree that this is the specific. This is shorthand for the specific, which is in the MM Glossary.

YMMV.

 

[SadisticFishing]

This is not a troll post.

The reason I post this is mostly because people misunderstand what a "minion" is. 1 damage does not kill a minion, and that is why Missed effects never damage a minion.

So why would this kill one? It's even LESS damage than a missed attack.

RAW and RAI, I'm absolutely sure that I'm right.

 

[ForbidenMaster]

I find this thread is even more ridiculous then the "minions can be killed by cats" complaints. By your logic if a wizard casts cloudkill and at the time of casting can only attack the BBEG, and misses, then the Cloudkill from then on can kill every living thing except minions.

 

[Caliban]

That's not what every minion says though. Specific beats general.

What is an example of a minion that says something different?

 

[Mort_Q]

RAW and RAI, I'm absolutely sure that I'm right.

Open your PH to page 59, and read the Effect section again.

I don't question your motives.

 

[Rith the Wanderer]

This is not a troll post.

The reason I post this is mostly because people misunderstand what a "minion" is. 1 damage does not kill a minion, and that is why Missed effects never damage a minion.

So why would this kill one? It's even LESS damage than a missed attack.

RAW and RAI, I'm absolutely sure that I'm right.

Is there anything that will convince you? I'll ask customer service if you want. Right now it seems like nothing except a designer coming up to you directly and saying no is going to convince you, including a passage that even you admit explicitly disagrees with you(but is somehow overruled by all minion entries).

 

[Mistwell]

This is not a troll post.

The reason I post this is mostly because people misunderstand what a "minion" is. 1 damage does not kill a minion, and that is why Missed effects never damage a minion.

So why would this kill one? It's even LESS damage than a missed attack.

RAW and RAI, I'm absolutely sure that I'm right.

And I, and a bunch of people, are absolutely sure you are wrong.

So I have to ask what productive discussion you are trying to further by declaring you are right and nobody understands the rules as well as you understand them?

 

[Switchback]

This is not a troll post.

The reason I post this is mostly because people misunderstand what a "minion" is. 1 damage does not kill a minion, and that is why Missed effects never damage a minion.

So why would this kill one? It's even LESS damage than a missed attack.

RAW and RAI, I'm absolutely sure that I'm right.

The damage from the cloud of knives does not require an attack. It's not part of an attack.

If you think its part of an attack, then where is the attack roll for other monsters that walk into it on the next turn?