D&D (2024) Command is the Perfect Encapsulation of Everything I Don't Like About 5.5e

Only one of them played 4e before 5e. And he barely followed any of the rules.
I am still finding it hard to believe. Are they younger folks who are focusing on “problematic” stuff. You say that he barely followed the rules so my guess is they never played any of the older versions. That makes it hard to hate them realistically.

I just do not see where you are getting your arguments except from strong bias.
 

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T: Too restrictive in character and monster archetypes. Too restrictive supported styles

D: Some things are restricted and some things are open ended to meet somebody's preference. And he ain't me.

T: Also overreliance of DM gotcha for balance

M: (censored) What balance?

Then a bunch of laughing emojis

M: Also Vancian magic is a poor magic system. I ain't read dem books and I ain't gonna. YOU CANT MAKE ME.

T: If you want my money

3 other nicer folk haven't responded.
To each their own I guess. Carry on.
 

T: Too restrictive in character and monster archetypes. Too restrictive supported styles

D: Some things are restricted and some things are open ended to meet somebody's preference. And he ain't me.

T: Also overreliance of DM gotcha for balance

M: (censored) What balance?

Then a bunch of laughing emojis

M: Also Vancian magic is a poor magic system. I ain't read dem books and I ain't gonna. YOU CANT MAKE ME.

T: If you want my money

3 other nicer folk haven't responded.
Ok, so biased opinions with little or no experience playing or running older editions.
 

I am still finding it hard to believe. Are they younger folks who are focusing on “problematic” stuff. You say that he barely followed the rules so my guess is they never played any of the older versions. That makes it hard to hate them realistically.

I just do not see where you are getting your arguments except from strong bias.

Having played all versions of D&D, I can say that I wouldn't go back to the TSR versions (I might play 3.5 for a short campaign). I dislike the backwards math, save or die and things like THAC0.

But hate? Nah. Hate leads to the dark side. On the other hand if they really do have cookies I'd have to think about it. :unsure:
 

I am still finding it hard to believe. Are they younger folks who are focusing on “problematic” stuff. You say that he barely followed the rules so my guess is they never played any of the older versions. That makes it hard to hate them realistically.

I just do not see where you are getting your arguments except from strong bias.

Someone said that they were mad 4e fans.

I responded that only on of them played 4e before 5e. And he barely followed the rules. I knew because I was his 4e DM. All he every did was spam Twin Strike and try to turn everything into a Stealth or Athletics check. He was annoying but I knew how to handle him.

As he got older and became a DM, he became frustrated with how restricted some parts of the game was but not others for many of the older editions.

Ironically his player style and DM style are total opposites.
 



Eh. Seems pretty normal to me to dislike the older editions. They were all rubbish in one way or another. Yes, even 4e.
I have some significant issues with 5e, but it still is easily the best edition of the game. Not that I understand what this has to do with anything... 🤷
I know it's opinion and all, but if 5e is the best edition, that's not saying good things about D&D. Can't talk about the earlier ones, but even 3e was better put together.
 

TTRPGS and D&D are not synonymous.

I was responding to a post that said, explicitly, D&D. Other TTRPGs are largely irrelevant, as a D&D specific conversation was being responded to. So I'm puzzled at this comment.


I know it's opinion and all, but if 5e is the best edition, that's not saying good things about D&D. Can't talk about the earlier ones, but even 3e was better put together.

Opinions are opinions, but I think this is an opinion both WotC and the majority of the player based would disagree with. Even if selecting only for players who have played multiple systems.

5e is very clean in its core design. People are free to not like it, but the design is elegant and functional. It's, at it's core, 3-8 numbers reapplied in different arrangements, depending on if you count ability scores individually or as a monolith, as you never add 2 ability scores to the same roll. You couple this with advantage and disadvantage, and the "round down" rule, you have, in essence 5e's entire math.

It is so simple, that you can reasonably balance encounters using the expected values of these number for a PC to calculate everything from AC to spell save DC of monsters. You can even take any bonuses from magic weapons, and reasonably adjust this number accurately.

Even HP is also merely a small selection of dice combinations. Essentially maxing at 4, 6, 8, 10, or 12. And again, this simplicity allows for reasonable estimations of monster HP based on player level.

I think a lot of people dislike the balance choices and power fantasy aspects of 5e and incorrectly attribute that to 5e's core design. 5e's core design is very clean from a math perspective.
 
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