D&D 5E Companion thread to 5E Survivor - Subclasses (Part VIII: Mystic, aka Psion)

[Undrave]

I figured we'd have a lot to discuss on this one, once again, so I figured a full on thread to discuss this failed experiment would be welcomed.
Thread in question: D&D 5E - 5E Survivor - Subclasses (Part VIII: Mystic, aka Psion)

I haven't read the UA in a while but my general impression of the Mystic was that it was just... TOO MUCH. Just too much stuff that could have been maybe pared down to two or even three full classes. Or at the very least go to 3 subclass for the first play test in order to nail down the base class and THEN add more subclass later.

Its a shame they never tried again though

 

[CleverNickName]

Required reading:

https://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UAMystic3.pdf

 

[RealAlHazred]

If you are at all interested in the Mystic class for games you run, I highly recommend you check out /u/ZDnD's Mystic homebrew here:
Sadly, it hasn't been updated in years, but the core class is interesting and plays differently from spells (which I liked a lot) without being too difficult to track. I also liked how he fit Rogue-y and Fighter-y subclasses in.

 

[Undrave]

Required reading:

https://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UAMystic3.pdf

Is it me or the maximum Psi Points of 71 at level 20 with a seemingly random 7 psi point limits is kinda insane? I don't mind the format of the disciplines as they are but it's still a lot to take in. And the Wu Jen just has a ton of repeating elemental ones.

 

[Ancalagon]

My only real experience with this class is the experience in @FitzTheRuke 's pbp campaign, which featured a number of them. It was a hard campaign so we were glad to have them there supporting us (I was playing a thief lol) but TOO MUCH certainly seems to fit what I saw... (I'm tagging Fitz because he might have a different recollection )

 

[FitzTheRuke]

My only real experience with this class is the experience in @FitzTheRuke 's pbp campaign, which featured a number of them. It was a hard campaign so we were glad to have them there supporting us (I was playing a thief lol) but TOO MUCH certainly seems to fit what I saw... (I'm tagging Fitz because he might have a different recollection )

No, you're on the money. The Mystic could do anything anyone else could do, but better. I'm not sure it needed much more than a balance pass. I think it really didn't need to be entirely scrapped. It just needed not to step on so many toes.

 

[Undrave]

No, you're on the money. The Mystic could do anything anyone else could do, but better. I'm not sure it needed much more than a balance pass. I think it really didn't need to be entirely scrapped. It just needed not to step on so many toes.

I think it was just trying to be too many concepts at once instead of taking the guy that could modify his body and make it its own class and keep the 'caster' guy as another.

 

[Maxperson]

No, you're on the money. The Mystic could do anything anyone else could do, but better. I'm not sure it needed much more than a balance pass. I think it really didn't need to be entirely scrapped. It just needed not to step on so many toes.

My opinion is that toe stepping is fine. It's toe stomping that's bad. It's okay to do a lot of things well, but you shouldn't be able to replace the specialists.

 

[Mind of tempest]

Required reading:

https://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UAMystic3.pdf

ah, the holy text It is mostly embedded in my mind.

My opinion is that toe stepping is fine. It's toe stomping that's bad. It's okay to do a lot of things well, but you shouldn't be able to replace the specialists.

personally I want it to work as a non religious cleric/druid as far as role goes.

do not get into me about clerics of philosophy that would only work in planscape, no idea what a non-religious druid is other than a generic mcanimal lover.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

My opinion is that toe stepping is fine. It's toe stomping that's bad. It's okay to do a lot of things well, but you shouldn't be able to replace the specialists.

I agree. I don't mind niche-crossover. The last thing you want is for only one class to be able to do a thing that's needed, or someone "has" to play it. However, like you say, the "best" should probably remain the best. The mystic went too far, but that was part of UA playtesting. A part I think they should be careful about (sometimes I expect people will downvote a playtest thing because if it's "power level" - the thing they say they will fix later - and you throw the baby out with the bathwater.