Converting Al-Qadim creatures

freyar · Aug 28, 2013

I guess it's fair to leave it out and leave the interpretation to the DM. But what I was suggesting was just the second paragraph of the symbiont rules and the default for magic items.

Cleon · Aug 29, 2013

freyar said:
I guess it's fair to leave it out and leave the interpretation to the DM. But what I was suggesting was just the second paragraph of the symbiont rules and the default for magic items.

So shall we leave it out to spare us yet another ~~pointless argument~~ passionate debate?

e.g.:

Feather Garment (Su): All bird maidens possess an enchanted feather garment which grants them all the other special qualities of this template (bird shape, low-light vision, damage reduction, and possibly evasion). Should another creature steal this garment, the garment-thief gains a +4 bonus when using Charisma-based skills or attacks with Will saving throws against the bird maiden.

If the feathered garment is destroyed (X hp, no hardness, takes double damage from fire), the bird maiden automatically dies at the end of that round. Spells that restore souls to their bodies, such as raise dead, reincarnate, and resurrection, don't work on a bird maiden whose feather garment has been destroyed. It takes a different magical effect, such as limited wish, wish, miracle, or true resurrection, to restore it to life, which also recreates the maiden's feather garment.

freyar · Sep 2, 2013

Very good, then. I'd go for about 20 hp, maybe 10 hp if you want them fragile.

Cleon · Sep 3, 2013

freyar said:
Very good, then. I'd go for about 20 hp, maybe 10 hp if you want them fragile.

That seems rather high. A thick wooden door has 20 hit points, and we're talking a few feathers here.

I was thinking something like 5 hit points.

freyar · Sep 13, 2013

It's just a few feathers, but it is magical. And I wouldn't want it to be too easy to destroy with, say, just a match. How about 8 hp?

Cleon · Sep 14, 2013

freyar said:
It's just a few feathers, but it is magical. And I wouldn't want it to be too easy to destroy with, say, just a match. How about 8 hp?

A tindertwig does 1 point of fire damage at the most so it wouldn't be that easy.

I'd be OK compromising with 8 or 10 hit points.

If you want to make it harder to destroy, how about the feather garment has DR or hardness so it's pretty resistant to non-fire attacks?

freyar · Oct 4, 2013

Let's say 8 hp, hardness 2. Does that work for you?

Cleon · Oct 6, 2013

freyar said:
Let's say 8 hp, hardness 2. Does that work for you?

That'd be OK, although giving it hardness feels a bit odd:

Feather Garment (Su): All bird maidens possess an enchanted feather garment which grants them all the other special qualities of this template (bird shape, low-light vision, damage reduction, and possibly evasion). Should another creature steal this garment, the garment-thief gains a +4 bonus when using Charisma-based skills or attacks with Will saving throws against the bird maiden.

If the feathered garment is destroyed (8 hp, hardness 2, takes double damage from fire), the bird maiden automatically dies at the end of that round. Spells that restore souls to their bodies, such as raise dead, reincarnate, and resurrection, don't work on a bird maiden whose feather garment has been destroyed. It takes a different magical effect, such as limited wish, wish, miracle, or true resurrection, to restore it to life, which also recreates the maiden's feather garment.

Cleon · Oct 6, 2013

Cleon said:
That'd be OK, although giving it hardness feels a bit odd:

Feather Garment (Su): All bird maidens possess an enchanted feather garment which grants them all the other special qualities of this template (bird shape, low-light vision, damage reduction, and possibly evasion). Should another creature steal this garment, the garment-thief gains a +4 bonus when using Charisma-based skills or attacks with Will saving throws against the bird maiden.

If the feathered garment is destroyed (8 hp, hardness 2, takes double damage from fire), the bird maiden automatically dies at the end of that round. Spells that restore souls to their bodies, such as raise dead, reincarnate, and resurrection, don't work on a bird maiden whose feather garment has been destroyed. It takes a different magical effect, such as limited wish, wish, miracle, or true resurrection, to restore it to life, which also recreates the maiden's feather garment.

Come to think of it, how does a Bird Maiden repair her feather garment?

That's something that is never addressed for other "skin wearing" D&D shapeshifters like Selkies, so I guess we don't need to deal with it.