Converting First Edition monsters from DRAGON magazine

[Shade]

the 3.5 rod of cancellation doesn't seem to have any text regarding artifacts though.

Not directily, although it does account for the sphere of annihilation (which is an artifact).

 

[BOZ]

well, i think that's enough to remove the whole artifact aspect. i mean, do we really want a 3-HD creature running around dijuncting artifacts? we can leave it as is, but remove the flitte dying when it succeeds, and add some flavor text to suggest that it uses this on powerful magic items.

 

[Shade]

Sounds good.

 

[BOZ]

let's continue discussing this: http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=2784092&postcount=838

also, would a limit in X/day be a good idea for the cancellation, now that we have made it non-fatal?

 

[Shade]

Well, the disenchanter has no limit on its magic item wrecking ability. Of course, it is CR 17 so that might make a difference.

As for the suggestion, I like it as a targeted ability, rather than a true gaze attack. It could be a targeted gaze like the vampire's domination, though.

I still like it as a successful save grants reprieve for 24 hours, but the critter can use the ability as often as it wants.

 

[BOZ]

Well, the disenchanter has no limit on its magic item wrecking ability. Of course, it is CR 17 so that might make a difference.

exactly - which is why i think a limit to the number of times per day is necessary. that, or the cancellation is temporary.

As for the suggestion, I like it as a targeted ability, rather than a true gaze attack. It could be a targeted gaze like the vampire's domination, though.

I still like it as a successful save grants reprieve for 24 hours, but the critter can use the ability as often as it wants.

oh, don't get me wrong, it will be a targeted ability. what i was thinking of doing was taking this: "If the victim is meeting the Flitte's gaze, he makes his saving throw at -2." and making something like this:

"Gaze that Weakens Your Willpower" (Su): Range 30 feet, Will DC X negates. As a free action, a flitte's gaze imposes a -2 morale penalty on Will saves for a single creature for one round.

good, bad, ugly? one way or another, the suggestion will otherwise have nothing to do with a gaze.

here's an idea. the spell works for 1 hour/level. let's say that if the save is successful, the creature will be unaffected for X hours with X=caster level for the ability. good compromise or no?

 

[Shade]

exactly - which is why i think a limit to the number of times per day is necessary. that, or the cancellation is temporary.

So maybe a number of times per day equal to the flitte's Hit Dice or Cha modifier?

oh, don't get me wrong, it will be a targeted ability. what i was thinking of doing was taking this: "If the victim is meeting the Flitte's gaze, he makes his saving throw at -2." and making something like this:

"Gaze that Weakens Your Willpower" (Su): Range 30 feet, Will DC X negates. As a free action, a flitte's gaze imposes a -2 morale penalty on Will saves for a single creature for one round.

good, bad, ugly? one way or another, the suggestion will otherwise have nothing to do with a gaze.

Ahh...I see now. That sounds good.

here's an idea. the spell works for 1 hour/level. let's say that if the save is successful, the creature will be unaffected for X hours with X=caster level for the ability. good compromise or no?

That seems to unnecessarily complicate the matter. I suppose if we are limiting it as I outlined above, it couldn't try more than 9 times for a fully advanced flitte against the same item/creature, so retries wouldn't be devastating.

 

[BOZ]

what i meant was, if we say make the caster level 7, then a creature that makes its save would be immune for 7 hours (we would state it that way).

hmm, how about changing the suggestion duration to 1 round/level instead? or, for it to make more sense, change it to simply say "works as a suggestion that lasts for X rounds"

 

[Shade]

what i meant was, if we say make the caster level 7, then a creature that makes its save would be immune for 7 hours (we would state it that way).

hmm, how about changing the suggestion duration to 1 round/level instead? or, for it to make more sense, change it to simply say "works as a suggestion that lasts for X rounds"

What do we currently have the duration at again?

 

[BOZ]

as far as i know, we don't. so therefore default.