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Converting "generic setting" second edition monsters

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freyar

Extradimensional Explorer
Environment is good. Clan for organization? CR 3? Always CN. no coins, 1/4 goods, no items. 7-12HD (Small).

Agreed to the sidebar. Swap Intimidate or maybe Listen for Bluff, Move Silently for Perform (sing)? Swap Spring Attack for Persuasive? Maybe Athletic for Mobility?
 

Shade

Monster Junkie
Updated.

A gahonga stands 3 feet tall and weighs x pounds.

Gahonga speak Sylvan? (Maybe the daughters also learn Common?)

Suggestions for expanding the flavor text?
 

freyar

Extradimensional Explorer
50 lb? Languages are good. Unfortunately, no great ideas for flavor. Maybe putting something about climbing and swimming for the females, since those are the dangerous situations.
 

demiurge1138

Inventor of Super-Toast
Trickster figures, protect sources of fresh water, xenophobic... do they get on well with other fey? Other sylvan creatures like elves, centaurs and unicorns? Or are they just generally grumpy? Do the beautiful daughters stay young and beautiful forever, or do they end up old and shrivelled eventually? Perhaps the beautiful daughter is the first stage of their life cycles, where they roam free and find a new territory, then when they settle down, they turn into old, dour males which then reproduce asexually.
 

freyar

Extradimensional Explorer
I think they don't get on well with anyone, except maybe when they're young. But that life cycle of daughter to grumpy old man is gold, we have to use it.
 



Shade

Monster Junkie
I think so.

Back to the ga-hon-ga...

Ga-hon-ga
FREQUENCY: Rare
NO. APPEARING: 3-18
ARMOR CLASS: 7
MOVE: 9”
HIT DICE: 2
% IN LAIR: 15%
TREASURE TYPE: P, X(x3)
NO. OF ATTACKS: 1
DAMAGE/ATTACK: By weapon
SPECIAL ATTACKS: See below
SPECIAL DEFENSES: Nil
MAGIC RESISTANCE; 80%
INTELLIGENCE: Very
ALIGNMENT: Chaotic good
SIZE: S (3’ tall)
PSIONIC ABILITY: Nil
Attack/Defense Modes: Nil

The Ga-hon-ga, the guardians of the stream, live in rock caves near rivers, and though small in size are possessed of gigantic strength. They are able to pull up the largest of trees with a single twist of the hand, and throw massive rocks into the rivers (to lift the waters when floods threaten). These beings often visit men in their dreams, to lead them into their caves and challenge them to feats of strength such as playing ball with rocks, with the Ga-hon-ga frequently throwing the “balls” high out of sight. For this reason they are known as “Stone Throwers.”

The Ga-hon-ga also watch over the fish, instructing them, directing their movements, and providing shelter in their deep-water caves, if the fish are being chased by merciless fishermen or confused in the whirl of a flood. The Gahon-ga will free fish caught in traps when they deem it wise. They decide if a season is to be fruitful or barren, and frequently punish abuse or negligence of nature with famine.

When drought occurs, the Iroquois will travel far into the forests to search for signs of the Ga-hon-ga. These signs are little cup-shaped hollows in the mud at the edges of streams, and are the promise of rain. The hollows are carefully scooped up and dried on a fragment of bark in the sun, becoming the “dew cup charms” which are placed in longhouses to attract the Gan-da-yah. There is a 15% chance per day that the Gan-dayah will come looking around a household where the charm is used.

The Ga-hon-ga have strength equal to a stone giant, and can throw and catch rocks with the same degree of ability. If encountered in an area where goodsized rocks are not in easy supply, they will carry their own. They also are armed with daggers and sometimes spears (30%). For river travel, the Ga-hon-ga use magical canoes which will, at times of need, fly into the air with a single stroke of the paddle (acting as a Carpet of Flying). The Ga-hon-ga can control fish with the same power as a Trident of Fish Command, and they can Control Weather as a 12th-level druid. Females and young are found only in lairs.

Originally appeared in Dragon Magazine #61 (1982).
 

freyar

Extradimensional Explorer
3ft stone giants just rock. :p More seriously, base all physical scores on stone giants, or just Str?

Is there another name we can use for either these or the gahonga to help distinguish them?
 

Shade

Monster Junkie
We could probably get away with the stone giant's other scores, as they aren't that impressive! Of course, the ga-hon-ga are actually more intelligent (Very = 11-12).

I'm not particularly bothered by the very close name, but we could try something else.

One option is to simply call them "stone throwers" and note within the text they call themselves "ga-hon-ga". Alternatively, we could call them "Jogah, Ga-Hon-Ga" and continue that naming convention with the other unconverted jogah from that article. I think I prefer that approach.

Here's another link to more information on these fellows:

Myths and Legends of the New York ... - Google Book Search
 

demiurge1138

Inventor of Super-Toast
We should give them more HD. Why? Because they've got 2, but are as strong as a stone giant and have control weather and/or plant growth as an SLA (how else could they determine whether a season is fruitful or barren?) Speak with animals (aquatic only) also makes sense as an SLA, and they should have wild empathy.
 




freyar

Extradimensional Explorer
Looking pretty good. Based on "The Ga-hon-ga have strength equal to a stone giant, and can throw and catch rocks with the same degree of ability," let's also give them rock catching.
 


demiurge1138

Inventor of Super-Toast
I think the ga-hon-ga should get a natural armor bonus. Also, I think we should give it a slam attack and some feats to reflect its love of wrestling. Make it more monk-ish.
 


Shade

Monster Junkie
Sounds good. The only problem with the monk feats is that they are based off Improved Unarmed Strike, which isn't needed if it has true slam attacks. Would you rather give it a monk's unarmed strike ability? Or state that it qualifies for feats as if it were a monk of xth level, treating its slam attacks as unarmed strikes?
 

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