Converting monsters from First Edition modules

[BOZ]

Vapor Jets (Ex): The bozorg fires two vapor jets, simultaneously, from its front and rear. Select one corner of the bozorg's square as normal for a cone; the second cone originates from the opposite corner. The vapor jets deal fire damage based on the bozorg's size. A Reflex save halves the damage. The save DC is Constitution-based.

works for me!

 

[dhaga]

I wouldn't say a table is necessary for the cone size and damage; Mortis' text is concise enough, yet contains all the necessary info.

Shrinking the cones down would probably be a good idea, say:

Small (4 ft) bozorg: 10 ft cone; damage 2d4 fire.
Medium (8 ft) bozorg: 20 ft cone; damage 3d4 fire.
Large (12 ft) bozorg: 30 ft cone; damage 4d4 fire.

I think the damage put forth by Mortis looks good, so I kept it in the block.

 

[BOZ]

those sizes work better for me.

 

[Shade]

Perfect! And if one were to want to expand them to Huge, Gargantuan, and Colossal, it would be easy to do so.

 

[dhaga]

Perfect! And if one were to want to expand them to Huge, Gargantuan, and Colossal, it would be easy to do so.

That's right; just keep on in the same pattern Sweet!

What's next? Work on Crush?

 

[Aspect of BOZ]

yep. we need to modify crush for a slightly slow-moving creature that can only use it on prone or helpless opponents. the damage will be small as well.

 

[Shade]

Are we talking about crush or trample at this point?

 

[BOZ]

good question. it's a little bit of both at the same time, i suppose. let's examine a few items and see what we come up with.

first of all, the smallest of these guys is 4 feet in diameter. the recommended top weight of a Small creature is 60 pounds, but of course constructs often go higher than that. let's say the Small bozorg is 100 pounds. have you ever had 100 pounds of pressure on top of you? hurts a little bit maybe, but doesn't exactly feel as if it's going to kill you does it? i would say that since the machine is trying to roll over and hurt you, the 1d4 recommended damage would work for the smallest variety (higher damage + Str bonus for bigger models).

 

[Mortis]

indeed! also, i decided to go 4-HD, 8-HD, and 12-HD.

No problem with the increased HD. I just took the bonus hp (for construct size) off and divided the remainder by 5.5 to give a rough guide.

the sizes of the cones should probably be smaller than that.

On reflection the cones should be smaller - dhagas' suggestions look good to me.

don't think the save should be Str-based.

Well they don't get a Con or I would have used that. Are there any constructs with a breath weapon etc. that we can use as a guide?

a bit of reworking...

Power Surge (Ex): When killed, a bozorg's power supply begins to overload, rapidly heating its outer shell and dealing 1d8 points of fire damage to anyone within 10 ft (Reflex DC X half). The following round, the power source harmlessly implodes and cools down, becoming completely useless. The save DC is Constitution?-based.

Again, no Con score but does that matter? Like the reworking though.

Vapor Jets (Ex): The bozorg fires two vapor jets, simultaneously, from its front and rear. Select one corner of the bozorg's square as normal for a cone; the second cone originates from the opposite corner. The vapor jets deal fire damage based on the bozorg's size. A Reflex save halves the damage. The save DC is Constitution-based.

I like.

first of all, the smallest of these guys is 4 feet in diameter. the recommended top weight of a Small creature is 60 pounds, but of course constructs often go higher than that. let's say the Small bozorg is 100 pounds. have you ever had 100 pounds of pressure on top of you? hurts a little bit maybe, but doesn't exactly feel as if it's going to kill you does it? i would say that since the machine is trying to roll over and hurt you, the 1d4 recommended damage would work for the smallest variety (higher damage + Str bonus for bigger models).

I would suggest that they all get the Str bon to the damage. We can always give the Small bozorg a Str of 10 or 11 (instead of my suggested 12) for a 1d4+0.

Do we need to limit the size of creatures it can roll over? Given that it can climb a 45 degree lope bozorg size category + 1?

Regards
Mortis

 

[Shade]

Well they don't get a Con or I would have used that. Are there any constructs with a breath weapon etc. that we can use as a guide?

Iron Golem:
Breath Weapon (Su): 10-foot cube, cloud of poisonous gas lasting 1 round, free action once every 1d4+1 rounds; initial damage 1d4 Con, secondary damage 3d4 Con, Fortitude DC 19 negates. The save DC is Constitution-based.

Stone Golem:
Slow (Su): A stone golem can use a slow effect, as the spell, as a free action once every 2 rounds. The effect has a range of 10 feet and a duration of 7 rounds, requiring a DC 17 Will save to negate. The save DC is Constitution-based.