Crawling & Haste

[Infiniti2000]

now if you had KNEEPADS OF HASTE, it would be a different story.....

Where's hong to respond to this comment?

 

[irdeggman]

So a hasted scout that crawls 10 ft would still get all of his skirmish bonuses then?

Damage and AC bonuses both depend on moving at least 10 ft.

 

[Infiniti2000]

And don't forget that with 10ft of crawling, you can do a crawling spring attack.

 

[Hypersmurf]

It does imply that all the modes of movement that are listed in a monster description are covered in that section.

It also states outright that if a monster has any modes of movement other than land speed, they will be listed in the stat block.

There is not a single creature in the Monster Manual that has "Crawl" listed as a mode of movement. The conclusion is either a/ not a single creature in the Monster Manual can crawl, or b/ Crawl is not a mode of movement.

Further, (here's a new twist), "A move action allows you to move your speed or perform an action that takes a similar amount of time." Since crawling is a "move" (by placement under the "Move" move action) and since you either "move your speed" or "perform an action that takes...," the 5 feet you move MUST be your speed by the way this all ties together.

Crawl is a move, and is an action that takes a similar amount of time to moving your speed.

If your speed is 30, then by taking a move action you can either move your speed, or perform the crawl action to move 5 feet, taking a similar amount of time to moving your speed.

You aren't crawling at a crawl speed of 5.

-Hyp.

 

[Artoomis]

It also states outright that if a monster has any modes of movement other than land speed, they will be listed in the stat block.

Really? Not in the SRD that I see, anyway. It is implied, but not outright stated that I found - maybe you found that definitive statement somewhere else or in the MM itself and not in the SRD?

Creatures may have modes of movement other than walking and running. These are natural, not magical, unless specifically noted in a monster description.

There is not a single creature in the Monster Manual that has "Crawl" listed as a mode of movement. The conclusion is either a/ not a single creature in the Monster Manual can crawl, or b/ Crawl is not a mode of movement.

Note that Hustle is NOT listed in the MM on "modes of movement" - does that mean a/ not a single creature in the Monster Manual can Hustle, or b/ Hustle is not a mode of movement?

Also note that Walk, Hustle, Run (x3) and Run(x4) are all modes of movement per SRD under "Movement." So I've proved that the MM section is incomplete. Once again leaving the door open for a Hasted Crawl.

And, before we go there, note that the list of "modes of movement" defined under "Movement" is noted as NOT a complete list, leaving open the possibility of including "Crawl."

While moving at the different movement scales, creatures generally walk, hustle, or run.

"Generally..." leaves the door open.

Again, I note that in every case I am talking about the rules leaving the door open for a Hasted Crawl - it is not definitively allowed or definitively prohibited.

 

[Artoomis]

And don't forget that with 10ft of crawling, you can do a crawling spring attack.

It does you little good, though. You STILL draw an AoO for crawling.

 

[Artoomis]

So a hasted scout that crawls 10 ft would still get all of his skirmish bonuses then?

Damage and AC bonuses both depend on moving at least 10 ft.

Hasted:

I suppose so. Of course, all prone penalties still apply. as does provoking an AoO for crawling. On top of all that, someone had to use up an action on casting the Haste or activating Boots of Speed.

Not Hasted:

I suppose the skirmish bonuses to AC already apply if he moves 10-feet for the whole round - two crawl movements of 5-feet each. Naturally damage bonuses would not apply unless he had some way of getting an extra action to take with which to attack and cause damage.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Really? Not in the SRD that I see, anyway. It is implied, but not outright stated that I found - maybe you found that definitive statement somewhere else or in the MM itself and not in the SRD?

In the SRD. Under 'Speed'.

Also note that Walk, Hustle, Run (x3) and Run(x4) are all modes of movement per SRD under "Movement."

So if I have a base land speed of 30, and I'm hasted and take the Run (x4) action, how far can I move?

-Hyp.

 

[Infiniti2000]

It does you little good, though. You STILL draw an AoO for crawling.

No, you wouldn't. At least, not based on your definition of crawling.

 

[Artoomis]

No, you wouldn't. At least, not based on your definition of crawling.

Yes, you would, because crawling itself provokes an AoO. This is. of course, subject to interpretation, like so many things. What, precisely, does "in this way" mean, anyway? I think most would agree that it means AoOs realted to moving out of a threatened square do not apply.