Crawling & Haste

[green slime]

Crawling is limited to five feet? As a move action? So someone can crawl 10 feet as a full round action?

6 seconds to crawl 10 feet? The writer of that rule hasn't had any 7 month babies charging around his/her feet. I guess we all suffer under the RAW in one way or another....

 

[glass]

I think that's a perfectly legitimate way of looking at this. I think it is also perfectly legitimate to call it a form of movement that happens to be 5-feet for everyone and is unrelated to any other movement speed a character might have.

I'd say that allowing 10-foot crawls with Haste is the looser (more PC-friendly) interpretation.

It wouldn't be the end of the world if you allowed it, but an 80 move monk might ask why he crawled half the speed of his hasted dwarven buddy whose move is half of his.


glass.

 

[Artoomis]

It wouldn't be the end of the world if you allowed it, but an 80 move monk might ask why he crawled half the speed of his hasted dwarven buddy whose move is half of his.


glass.

Yes, well, that's a problem with the way crawl is defined. The monk (and maybe other classes/creatures with special movement) should have crawl redefined for them - or maybe crawl should be 5-foot minimum, based upon a 30 speed. So that at 60 speed, one would crawl 10-feet, and 90, 15-feet, etc. That would be better, I think, but that's not the way it was written.

 

[Kieperr]

Crawling is done while you are prone. If you are not prone then you move at your speed. You crawl 5' as a move action. You move your speed as a move action. Crawling is not based on your speed and therefore, any increase to your speed has no effect on crawling. Since crawling is done while you are prone the moving only 5' is effectively a penalty of the prone condition. Allowing a creature's speed to affect its crawling is allowing different creatures to suffer different penalties while prone. Prone is a condition that affects all creatures equally and moving while prone is limited to a crawl.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Crawling is not based on your speed and therefore, any increase to your speed has no effect on crawling.

And that's the key point.

If Crawling said "You can crawl with a speed of 5 feet", there might be room for stacking speed bonuses on it. But it doesn't; it says "You can crawl 5 feet". You don't have a crawl speed; you crawl 5 feet.

In just the same way that people don't have a 5' step speed of 5 feet; they simply move 5 feet with a 5' step.

-Hyp.

 

[Infiniti2000]

I did not even come close to understanding that. How does the dwarf get to move 10 feet and the monk 5 feet? Unless, of course, the dwarf has armor granting a Haste effect that doubles his speed.

Sorry for the confusion, I was merely trying to be concise. Let me elaborate:

6th-level unarmored human monk has a base speed of 30ft, and a bonus to his speed of 20ft, which is an enhancement bonus. His total speed is 50ft.

A dwarven fighter (say 6th level though it matters not), with plate mail has a base speed of 20ft. He has haste cast upon him which gives him a 20ft enhancement bonus (30ft, but maximum of double his normal movement). His total speed is 40ft.

The dwarf moves slower than the monk, but has the same enhancement bonus. However, the dwarf can crawl twice as fast as the monk. This phenomenon is inexplicable.

 

[CGoat]

I think I'd house rule something like this.

You can crawl at 1/4 your speed. Just like climbing. Actually its harder to crawl than it is to climb which doesn't make any sense. Sure you get at AoO on you if you climb without a climb speed but so does crawling. So if you happen to be prone next to a wall you could climb the wall faster than crawling away.

Or... Full defense, Stand and 5' away

 

[ceratitis]

Hardly instant kill. Sharks, like other creatures don't instantly die as soon as they have difficulty breathing. Otherwise, the shark would hardly be flopping when out of the water now then, would it? It would die instantly.

Apart from the silliness of tripping sharks, not all sharks are required to move in order to breathe. Wobbegongs of Australia lurk on the bottom of the ocean floor, -breathing-. I'm sure there are other varieties of shark that do the same trick, I just can't think of their names at the moment.

i stand corrected

 

[ceratitis]

Crawling is limited to five feet? As a move action? So someone can crawl 10 feet as a full round action?

6 seconds to crawl 10 feet? The writer of that rule hasn't had any 7 month babies charging around his/her feet. I guess we all suffer under the RAW in one way or another....

hehehe
i run after my nieces but it amounts to the same thing.
Z

 

[ceratitis]

And that's the key point.

If Crawling said "You can crawl with a speed of 5 feet", there might be room for stacking speed bonuses on it. But it doesn't; it says "You can crawl 5 feet". You don't have a crawl speed; you crawl 5 feet.

In just the same way that people don't have a 5' step speed of 5 feet; they simply move 5 feet with a 5' step.

-Hyp.

i think we all agree on what the rules say i.e 5 ft no matter what. its just that some of us feel the rule needs some twicking
Z