Cumbrous XXXX modification

[Scion]

In savage species there are 4 different cumbrous feats. Currently they are very nice, but that niceness comes with a few high costs. One of which is feat expenditure. I was wondering if anyone thinks that this change would be horrible overpowered, underpowered, whatever

Cumbrous (general)
Prereq's: Iron will, great fortitude, lightning reflexes, or dodge.

Benefit: Depending on which of the prereq's you have you gain the following benefits.

Iron wil: as cumbrous will
Great fortitude: cumbrous fortitude
Lightning reflexes: cumbrous reflexes
Dodge: cumbrous dodge

Special: if you have more than one of the prereq's you gain multiple abilities. If you later gain one of the prereq's you gain the subsequent ability.


Effectively it cuts the cost of getting all 4 of them from 8 to 5. Still an incredible investment, but now possible. Failing that, it is nice to be able to gain a couple of the benefits without such a high cost that imo the over all abilities gained arent worth 8 feats total.

 

[Cheiromancer]

I can't think of any other feat that works like that. I would hate to have to try to enter it into a program like DM Genie.

How about this:

Cumbrous (general)
Pre-req's: none
Benefits: none

Cumbrous then serves as a pre-requisite for the following feats:

Cumbrous Dodge: as in Savage Species plus benefits of Dodge
Cumbrous Fortitude:as in Savage Species and +2 to fortitude saves
Cumbrous Reflexes: as in Savage Species and +2 to reflex saves
Cumbrous Will:as in Savage Species and +2 to will saves.

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It works out almost the same (8 feats reduced to 5), but Cumbrous works more like other feats, and is easier to program.

To make it work out _exactly_ the same, you need to make the following additions:

Add "this bonus does not stack with that provided by Dodge/Great Fortitude/ Lightning Reflexes/ Iron Will" to Cumbrous Dodge/Fortitude/Reflexes/Will.

Add something like "Cumbrous X counts as X for the purpose of meeting pre-requisites" to each of the feats.

Add Dex 13 to the pre-requisites for Cumbrous Dodge.

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Or not. Having a way to give Dodge to creatures whose Dex is too low, or to give a total of +4 to will saves to something with a low will... could be a good idea.