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D&D and the rising pandemic

J.Quondam

CR 1/8
Just to drive home the point of the failures of covidiocy:
By taking up hospital space, covidiots not only are making it harder for people with other illnesses to get the treatment they need, but they're also boosting the odds that that everyone who does end up in hospital get even sicker, because so many patients are packed in so tight.
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And a propos of nothing probably... For the first time since the pandemic began, I needed to visit a medical facility last week. At the clinic, roughly 4 in 5 of the check-ins that I overheard were covid-related. Sitting in the waiting room among coughing people, I found myself thinking, It's going to suck BAD if I get covid* on top of shingles.**


* So far, no covid!
** Shingles is
really unpleasant.
 

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Just to drive home the point of the failures of covidiocy:
By taking up hospital space, covidiots not only are making it harder for people with other illnesses to get the treatment they need, but they're also boosting the odds that that everyone who does end up in hospital get even sicker, because so many patients are packed in so tight.
--
And a propos of nothing probably... For the first time since the pandemic began, I needed to visit a medical facility last week. At the clinic, roughly 4 in 5 of the check-ins that I overheard were covid-related. Sitting in the waiting room among coughing people, I found myself thinking, It's going to suck BAD if I get covid* on top of shingles.**


* So far, no covid!
** Shingles is
really unpleasant.

Gods above, I can't even imagine that combination, and kind of don't want to.
 

Ryujin

Hero
Just to drive home the point of the failures of covidiocy:
By taking up hospital space, covidiots not only are making it harder for people with other illnesses to get the treatment they need, but they're also boosting the odds that that everyone who does end up in hospital get even sicker, because so many patients are packed in so tight.
--
And a propos of nothing probably... For the first time since the pandemic began, I needed to visit a medical facility last week. At the clinic, roughly 4 in 5 of the check-ins that I overheard were covid-related. Sitting in the waiting room among coughing people, I found myself thinking, It's going to suck BAD if I get covid* on top of shingles.**


* So far, no covid!
** Shingles is
really unpleasant.
Thanks for reminding me. Now that I have the Covid vaccinations well out of the way, I need to book in for the Shingles vaccine. Fortunately, my employer covers it, and I got luck with my first bout not being too bad.
 

nedjer

Adventurer
The media will report and in some cases condemn an incident, but never quite get round to the root causes of social and political media fuelling misinformation by presenting so-called 'debate' in the name of 'balance'. There is no debate over the climate crisis, just look out the window; there is no debate over what prevents Covid, just look at where it's under control; there is no debate over whether or not doctors and nurses are a good idea, because even anti-vaxxers turn to them once their lungs start seizing up.

Be good if they could show me a show where all the anti-vaxxer attacks on doctors and consequences of Covid bed-blocking are brought together and discussed in terms of the medical impacts on service delivery. No insert from Senator Loads O' Loot or plucky young stars of The Activist. We need less strictly dancing and more strictly facts.
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J.Quondam

CR 1/8
Oh look! No baby deliveries, thanks to covidiots:
I still can't fathom how healthcare workers, of all people, can be antivaxxers. How do people like that even get hired to work in the medical field in the first place?
 

Eltab

Lord of the Hidden Layer
Oh look! No baby deliveries, thanks to covidiots:
I still can't fathom how healthcare workers, of all people, can be antivaxxers. How do people like that even get hired to work in the medical field in the first place?
If you fire big chunks of your medical staff in the middle of a pandemic, the idiot is not the staff.
 

Cadence

Legend
Supporter
If you fire big chunks of your medical staff in the middle of a pandemic, the idiot is not the staff.
If big chunks of your medical staff doesn't care about spreading the pandemic or becoming patients themselves or passing on the message to others not to care... kind of feels like the staff might be in on the inanity too?

Anyway, getting back to jobs that won't be automated and pay a lot, how much are travelling nurses making now?
 

Ryujin

Hero
Oh look! No baby deliveries, thanks to covidiots:
I still can't fathom how healthcare workers, of all people, can be antivaxxers. How do people like that even get hired to work in the medical field in the first place?
Prior to Covid I had a bit of a Facebook debate with someone claiming to be a "virologist", who pointed to an incident in Quebec in which a small town's population was involved in a measles outbreak (IIRC), when the population was reported to be 100% vaccinated. "SEE?! Vaccines don't work!", he said, clearly not understanding either the concept of "less that 100% effectiveness", nor "denying fuel to the fire." I have my doubts that he had any medical or scientific credentials, whatsoever.
 





Eltab

Lord of the Hidden Layer
If big chunks of your medical staff doesn't care about spreading the pandemic or becoming patients themselves or passing on the message to others not to care... kind of feels like the staff might be in on the inanity too?
Are you sure the problem is "the staffers don't care"? Somebody interviewed the staff to find out what the problem is and got that answer? Or is this - yet again - applying a hasty generalization to other people without bothering to acquire knowledge?
 

Eltab

Lord of the Hidden Layer
In the middle of a pandemic, medical staff who refuse vaccination* are idiots.
If they are proposing an alternative course of action to attain a desirable goal - such as "no patient exposed to COVID while in hospital" - then giving them an either-or choice which excludes their suggested option is still being dumb. The medical staff is trained professionals with experience around patients. We should treat them like it.
 

J.Quondam

CR 1/8
If they are proposing an alternative course of action to attain a desirable goal - such as "no patient exposed to COVID while in hospital" - then giving them an either-or choice which excludes their suggested option is still being dumb. The medical staff is trained professionals with experience around patients. We should treat them like it.
But what of the the large majority of medical workers in the same facility who are vaccinated? Presumably they too are trained professionals with experience around patients.
Given that vaccination is the consensus recommendation of the medical establishment, it would seem that some of these staffers are decidedly more professional that others.
 

Cadence

Legend
Supporter
Are you sure the problem is "the staffers don't care"? Somebody interviewed the staff to find out what the problem is and got that answer? Or is this - yet again - applying a hasty generalization to other people without bothering to acquire knowledge?

Did I read correctly they were still allowing medical exemptions?

I would be kind of surprised if there were 30 folks there that belonged to the Church of Christ Scientist, or Dutch Reformed Church, or other religion that has a standing policy of being against vaccines. If they were, I would hope the hospital could find them a non-patient facing position in the meantime. If that's the reason then I apologize.

I'm guessing most of it is for reasons that I'd lump with the others I gave previously. "A recent American Nurses Association survey found nearly 12% of nurses do not plan to get vaccinated, with most citing concerns about safety or doubts that immunization is necessary. " I mean, I'm sure there are some who are against a lot of things in general (and not just COVID) from masks to prevent things to doing certain kinds of paperwork to certain treatments. Don't particularly care.

Haven't found a good survey separating the CNAs from the RNs from the Nurse Practitioners.
 
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Hussar

Legend
If they are proposing an alternative course of action to attain a desirable goal - such as "no patient exposed to COVID while in hospital" - then giving them an either-or choice which excludes their suggested option is still being dumb. The medical staff is trained professionals with experience around patients. We should treat them like it.
But, that's not even feasible. "You can't treat anyone while there is a potential COVID patient in the hospital"? What's the point of being a nurse at that point?

There are basic requirements for all jobs. And, if I need a permit to go to a restaurant or take an airplane, then I sure as hell do not want to be treated by a nurse who hasn't had vaccinations.

Are nurses not required to have had their childhood immunizations? Would the hospitals employing them not have access to those records?

It's rather horrifying to think that there are nursing staff out there who have not been immunized for things like Polio and whatnot.
 

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