D&D and the rising pandemic

[Cadence]

Humans are social creatures.

One that bogles me is last week, a family was driving through several states from the SE US to NE US, and was going through NYC. There were a few things they wanted to see in the city, but couldn't because those places required masks and they didn't have theirs.

How do you go on a cross country trip these days without having them just in case? And does no one in NYC have them for sale?

 

[Zardnaar]

One that bogles me is last week, a family was driving through several states from the SE US to NE US, and was going through NYC. There were a few things they wanted to see in the city, but couldn't because those places required masks and they didn't have theirs.

How do you go on a cross country trip these days without having them just in case? And does no one in NYC have them for sale?

Several possibilities. Are masks readily available, they forgot, don't care etc.

 

[Cadence]

Several possibilities. Are masks readily available, they forgot, don't care etc.

It just seemed strange to me that they'd think that they wouldn't run in to some places on a trip through multiple states that would asked folks to wear them.

In DC the other week I thought it was interesting to see how some places didn't seem to care while another required them unless seated and had a place to give information to help with contact tracing if needed.

 

[Umbran]

I think Germany had the highest numbers of nurses per Capita in the world. And one if the best health systems in one of the richest countries it's consistently ranked top ten, USA normally somewhere in the 20's.

Yep. But any system made primarily of humans can be overwhelmed. That's the point. If you are stupid, that best-in-the-world will not save you. Nobody's invulnerable.

 

[Zardnaar]

It just seemed strange to me that they'd think that they wouldn't run in to some places on a trip through multiple states that would asked folks to wear them.

In DC the other week I thought it was interesting to see how some places didn't seem to care while another required them unless seated and had a place to give information to help with contact tracing if needed.

Yeah becoming surreal here. Keep waiting for the penny to drop. Sword of Damocles.

It's like an in off switch. No one cares flicks switch and it's all on.

 

[Zardnaar]

Yep. But any system made primarily of humans can be overwhelmed. That's the point. If you are stupid, that best-in-the-world will not save you. Nobody's invulnerable.

It's not because they're stupid it's because they're human. Complacency best case scenario and we'll yeah.

I have about 0 faith in my fellow humans so didn't expect much to start with. Europe surprised me rest if world not so much.

 

[Eltab]

Just think how much angst could be avoided if there were a well-supported effort to get treatment medicines for COVID up and running. Something as effective as Contac or Nyquil or the 'store-brand' generics thereof are at dealing with the common cold. Maybe based on the (limited) research done on hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin before those were shouted down over not being a silver bullet cure - or working from some biochemical I'm not aware of that kills COVID viruses and/or boosts the human immune system to do same. Medicines intended to be distributed in the same way as those name brands mentioned above, so they can be near-universally available in the least amount of time and at an affordable price.

 

[Cadence]

Just think how much angst could be avoided if there were a well-supported effort to get treatment medicines for COVID up and running.

They're not looking for those!?!?

Medicines intended to be distributed in the same way as those name brands mentioned above, so they can be near-universally available in the least amount of time and at an affordable price.

In the US vaccine is free and it's going bad in the fridges because the half the country who hasn't had it doesn't want it. Say they did find a new cure. The FDA would presumably have to say it only had preliminary approval anyway for a few years? Would all of the folks who don't take vaccine for that reason not take that either?

 

[Deset Gled]

Just think how much angst could be avoided if there were a well-supported effort to get treatment medicines for COVID up and running. Something as effective as Contac or Nyquil or the 'store-brand' generics thereof are at dealing with the common cold.

The short answer is that the treatment you are looking for doesn't actually exist. Things like OTC medications do absolutely noting to actually attack a virus. They just treat the symptoms and make you feel better about it while your body's immune system does it's thing.

We did go through a huge phase of working on treatments at the beginning of this. Remember the rush for ventilators? That's the Nyquil equivalent for COVID19.

 

[Mirtek]

do some bare minimums to look out for each other.

And we're way beyond that bare minimum and have been for quite some time already. This level will not be upheld forever.

Like it or not but many countries are already dropping their anti C19 meassures by a lot. And public preassure is mounting for even more. And a huge lot of people jump on any new freedom immediately and also way too many just take freedoms that are not yet in concordance with local C19 laws anyway as soon as they see the enforcement flagging.

Just take a look at the Euro 2020 final tomorrow, both at what you'll see in the arena and what will happen outside and in either Rome or London, depending on the outcome. I am going on a limb here and take the bet that you will not see many masks or disctancing and probably not even the police trying to disolve anything but outright riots.

In Germany the pedestrian zones and malls and promenades were filled to the brim during good wheather and as soon as masks were no longer mandatory outside they vanished from 95% of the faces. Despite what earlier surveys about voluntarily wearing masks said. Talk about attitude behaviour gap I guess. And people demand more and more. The voices for a total end of mask requirement even inside are getting more and getting louder. I don't see it survive past September in Germany and that's a late estimate. August as an end for almost all that's still in place is in demand too. And after opening even brothels, it does indeed seem silly to hold onto the rest of it any longer.

What if Omicron or Pi or Sigma come along and actually mutated to a degree that the current vaccines are all finally ineffective against it? Do you think people will accept to go back to April 2020 C19-alert-level and just wait until we get an updated vaccine and can start from square 1 all over again with actually getting it into the people?

All the pretended solidarity with the poorer countries is already dropping just like the masks are. Germany busily securing thrid doses for all citizens while giving a token donation of way too few doses to countries who aren't even anywhere near getting a first dose for their citizens. And it's not was if the rest of the rich world is looking much better in this