D&D and the rising pandemic

[Mirtek]

People are really, really bad at understanding risk. People cannot visit sporting events, concerts, and clubs if they are dead.

Most people don't die. A few people out of a large total number might be a lot people, but relatively speaking 99% of the party crowd won't die. 90% of them won't even experience a serious case - and that's of those that even catch it in the first place. Death/serious cases below the age of 60 are nearly nil in Germany.

England has the arenas filled and the streets and pubs filled to the brim with people ignoring any restrictions that may still be in place after each english soccer victory and while the cases are on the rise, the people are OK with it. Of course not all people, but quite a lot people

 

[Cadence]

Most people don't die. A few people out of a large total number might be a lot people, but relatively speaking 99% of the party crowd won't die. 90% of them won't even experience a serious case - and that's of those that even catch it in the first place. Death/serious cases below the age of 60 are nearly nil in Germany.

England has the arenas filled and the streets and pubs filled to the brim with people ignoring any restrictions that may still be in place after each english soccer victory and while the cases are on the rise, the people are OK with it. Of course not all people, but quite a lot people

Most people not dying worked for.the US. I mean, what's 500k excess deaths among well fed and entertained countrymen.

:-/

 

[Mirtek]

Most people not dying worked for.the US. I mean, what's 500k excess deaths among well fed and entertained countrymen.

:-/

CDC even says 600k when I look at your chart right now. And of those 474k were aged 65+

So get those vaccinated ASAP if you don't already have done so and if the tweens want to take their risks by going out to party, it's their choice

 

[Cadence]

CDC even says 600k when I look at your chart right now. And of those 474k were aged 65+

So get those vaccinated ASAP if you don't already have done so and if the tweens want to take their risks by going out to party, it's their choice

I'd rather they weren't given the choice (the same as for many other diseases.with compulsory vaccinations here), but I guess until the vaccine is "fully approved" by the FDA we're stick with a mass.of variant generators.

 

[Mirtek]

I'd rather they weren't given the choice (the same as for many other diseases.with compulsory vaccinations here), but I guess until the vaccine is "fully approved" by the FDA we're stick with a mass.of variant generators.

I'd prefer mandatory vaccination too, but given the legal difficulties (not to speak of public oppinion) we have here in Germany I don't want to even imagine what an uphill battle that must be in the USA

 

[Zardnaar]

Most people not dying worked for.the US. I mean, what's 500k excess deaths among well fed and entertained countrymen.

:-/

Can't be on *alert" all of the time. Humans don't function that way.

Bread and circuses.

 

[Umbran]

Most people don't die.

"Eh, it won't kill most people, so we should just ignore it. Those people who do die, well, too friggin' bad for them!"

Sorry. You get the benefit of living in a community of millions, and a world of billions. Along with the benefits come some responsibiliteis to do some bare minimums to look out for each other.

Plus, the death toll could have been (and still could be, if we are collectively stupid) much, much worse. As it was, we managed to largley keep our health care systems just under the point of collapse. The death toll is like 1%... IF they have proper medical assistance and support. It goes up, waaay up, if victims don't have that support.

Do not be fooled by the results you saw in Germany. Germany didn't have its healthcare system collapse, because restrictions on people kept the numbers down. To see more what it is really capable, we can look at Peru - covid-19 at its peak there killed 2.5 people per day per 100K in the population. Triple the rate seen in Germany.

Imagine that Germany's healthcare system gets really swamped, and you reach Peruvian levels of deaths. That would be 2000 people dead in Germany alone each day. Across the EU, that would be over 10,000 people dying per day.

Sure, "it won't kill most people". But if we are dumb, that "not most" still becomes quite the pile of corpses.

 

[Cadence]

Can't be on *alert" all of the time. Humans don't function that way.

Bread and circuses.

I totally feel for everyone who for a year masked in public, didn't eat out, avoided large gatherings, minimized smaller ones, minimized going in stores, and then got the vaccine as soon as they were able. And especially for those who had their lives turned upside down by changes in schooling and jobs and not being able to visit sick relatives. And those with folks at home with compromised immune systems who can't get the vaccine.

And then there are those who weren't on "alert' much at all, who whined from the get go in spite of only masking when threatened with being kicked from the store, fought against any school safety procedures, regularly gathered with friends unmasked, often went to larger things if allowed, and heaped enough skepticism on everything that even if you hear they go the vaccine you're kind of surprised they bothered.

:-/

 

[Zardnaar]

"Eh, it won't kill most people, so we should just ignore it. Those people who do die, well, too friggin' bad for them!"

Sorry. You get the benefit of living in a community of millions, and a world of billions. Along with the benefits come some responsibiliteis to do some bare minimums to look out for each other.

Plus, the death toll could have been (and still could be, if we are collectively stupid) much, much worse. As it was, we managed to largley keep our health care systems just under the point of collapse. The death toll is like 1%... IF they have proper medical assistance and support. It goes up, waaay up, if victims don't have that support.

Do not be fooled by the results you saw in Germany. Germany didn't have its healthcare system collapse, because restrictions on people kept the numbers down. To see more what it is really capable, we can look at Peru - covid-19 at its peak there killed 2.5 people per day per 100K in the population. Triple the rate seen in Germany.

Imagine that Germany's healthcare system gets really swamped, and you reach Peruvian levels of deaths. That would be 2000 people dead in Germany alone each day. Across the EU, that would be over 10,000 people dying per day.

Sure, "it won't kill most people". But if we are dumb, that "not most" still becomes quite the pile of corpses.

I think Germany had the highest numbers of nurses per Capita in the world. And one if the best health systems in one of the richest countries it's consistently ranked top ten, USA normally somewhere in the 20's.

In Ecuador Covid also overwhelmed the funeral services. Cardboard coffins in the street for army to pick up. Unofficially they may have been worse than Peru (April-June last year).

One reason we went so hard is we had half the ICU beds here than Australia. They're bigger on prevention here (read cheap).

 

[Zardnaar]

I totally feel for everyone who for a year masked in public, didn't eat out, avoided large gatherings, minimized smaller ones, minimized going in stores, and then got the vaccine as soon as they were able. And especially for those who had their lives turned upside down by changes in schooling and jobs and not being able to visit sick relatives. And those with folks at home with compromised immune systems who can't get the vaccine.

And then there are those who weren't on "alert' much at all, who whined from the get go in spite of only masking when threatened with being kicked from the store, fought against any school safety procedures, regularly gathered with friends unmasked, often went to larger things if allowed, and heaped enough skepticism on everything that even if you hear they go the vaccine you're kind of surprised they bothered.

:-/

Humans are social creatures. Here the lockdowns were harder in single people.

Spend 7 weeks with your family vs 7 weeks alone. There were cases of new couples who had been togather a week or two doing lockdown togather vs being alone.