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D&D and the rising pandemic

Zardnaar

Legend
I suspect that the after-action report will conclude the term "community spread" was techno-babble to avoid saying "the virus can transmit through the air".
Here it just means they can't trace the source.

Someone in the community has it who hasn't been overseas or had contact with travellers.

If it's airborne you would have a higher number of people. Sounds terrible but Covids very mild as Pandemics go. It's not that fatal not that contagious.

You don't need to yeah for the hills with your favorite selection of AR-15s. Don't be an idiot either.
It's not that hard to overwhelm the health care system though that's the problem.

Not that they can do much anyway they can save a few of the worst effected via Ventilators.
 

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I suspect that the after-action report will conclude the term "community spread" was techno-babble to avoid saying "the virus can transmit through the air".
I don't think so. Community spread just means that it didn't come directly from a previously known case. It only "transmits through the air" by taking in (symptomatic or not) sick people's recently-breathed water vapour. That's a scientifically different thing than "airborne".
 

"Airborn" means it will fly through (for example) ventilation ducts.

"Breathing" means it is in droplets large enough that they fall to the ground (or other surface) and stick to things.

From what I understand, you can make the novel coronovirus airborn by malfunctioning toilets (it is contained in feces sometimes, and the toilet can aerosolize it) or when intubating a person (shoving a breathing tube down someone's throat and pressurizing it). But these are not normal, everyday events.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
They are puzzled thus far why it's not hit California cities as hard if not harder than New York, especially as it appeared to get it's start in California in the US. California can get humid on the coast, but it's nothing compared to how humid the US's east coast gets.
This may matter more than weather:

Californian cities are high in population, but also large in area. So, Californian population density is lower, and that helps control spread. The New York Metropolitan area has ten of the eleven highest population density incorporated areas in the country.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
This may matter more than weather:

Californian cities are high in population, but also large in area. So, Californian population density is lower, and that helps control spread. The New York Metropolitan area has ten of the eleven highest population density incorporated areas in the country.
Forgot to mention that. Italy also has high density in the north.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I suspect that the after-action report will conclude the term "community spread" was techno-babble to avoid saying "the virus can transmit through the air".
As others have said - no, this is incorrect. "Community spread" is an epidemiology term, meaning that a case cannot be traced to a known source.

Being "airborne" also means something specific, that thankfully does not generally happen with covid-19
 



Zardnaar

Legend
SPPS update.
1 more death, elderly man 3rd linked to the same rest home. 5 total. All 5 elderly

19 new cases, 15 confirmed, 4 probable.

4 in ICU
 


Hussar

Legend
Japan's testing numbers are still ridiculously low. They've now designated a hotel in my area as a potential temporary hospital. Yay. First week of real shut down, but, frankly, it's not really shut down at all. I went to the supermarket on Saturday and the place was packed. Made me very nervous. Will make sure to go at a different time.

On the bright side, we're still not seeing huge numbers of patients. So, that's good. I guess. It really is quite frightening when I cannot actually be sure the government is deliberately suppressing information.

One of the reasons they are not testing extensively is because of a law in place where all positives MUST be hospitalized. So, they are deliberately slowing testing so they don't overload the hospitals.
 

One of the reasons they are not testing extensively is because of a law in place where all positives MUST be hospitalized. So, they are deliberately slowing testing so they don't overload the hospitals.
Wow, that is a way to ruin your own plans. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
 

Lwaxy

Cute but dangerous
The virus has killed less people than the flu so far and has, at least in Europe, prevented many flu deaths due to the isolation rules. Maybe we should distance more every flu season. If not for the lockdowns,we would have a lot more deaths and dying though.

I'm classified as high risk due to all my many pre-existing conditions,and it seems when people talk about everyone who has been dying has a known or unknown pre-existing condition and thus not to worry, I feel like people not only devalue the lives of sick people, but also disregard the fact that many more people have pre-existing problems they do not even know about.
 

GreyLord

Adventurer
The virus has killed less people than the flu so far and has, at least in Europe, prevented many flu deaths due to the isolation rules. Maybe we should distance more every flu season. If not for the lockdowns,we would have a lot more deaths and dying though.

I'm classified as high risk due to all my many pre-existing conditions,and it seems when people talk about everyone who has been dying has a known or unknown pre-existing condition and thus not to worry, I feel like people not only devalue the lives of sick people, but also disregard the fact that many more people have pre-existing problems they do not even know about.
Something else I have been wondering about. With all the lockdowns, stay at homes, and other items we are following I imagine car traffic is extremely low on the roads (also why oil has had it's struggles with their companies recently).

I wonder if car accident related deaths are likewise dropped to a much lower number recently.
 

Lwaxy

Cute but dangerous
Yes they have,down to less than 30'% in my area and less than 10% where I used to live. The virus has also saved about 10k people in China alone who would usually die during the season due to air pollution, mostly people with asthma and obstructive pulmonary diseases. I can't find the source right now for this though. I was surprised reading this, it shows how less we value live and the environment over profit.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Something else I have been wondering about. With all the lockdowns, stay at homes, and other items we are following I imagine car traffic is extremely low on the roads (also why oil has had it's struggles with their companies recently).

I wonder if car accident related deaths are likewise dropped to a much lower number recently.
Almost everything* has dropped. The car accidents, shootings, etc. Covid-19 is almost the only things ERs are seeing.

Law of Unintended Consequences: medical professionals who AREN’T on the front lines of the pandemic are facing salary cuts because their specialties are becoming less and less profitable.



* domestic assaults and similar issues are up, though
 

Hussar

Legend
Wow, that is a way to ruin your own plans. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Oh, it's bloody insane. See, Japan doesn't actually have a CDC. As in a separate body, funded by the government, staffed by scientists whose job it is to combat diseases. No, instead, Japan has bureaucrats in charge of science, with little or no actual science background, and often responsible to their political parties.

Oh, yeah, it really inspires confidence in the government's handling of things when you flat out KNOW that the people making all the decisions actually have zero science background.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Oh, it's bloody insane. See, Japan doesn't actually have a CDC. As in a separate body, funded by the government, staffed by scientists whose job it is to combat diseases. No, instead, Japan has bureaucrats in charge of science, with little or no actual science background, and often responsible to their political parties.

Oh, yeah, it really inspires confidence in the government's handling of things when you flat out KNOW that the people making all the decisions actually have zero science background.
PREACH!
 


Yes they have,down to less than 30'% in my area and less than 10% where I used to live. The virus has also saved about 10k people in China alone who would usually die during the season due to air pollution, mostly people with asthma and obstructive pulmonary diseases. I can't find the source right now for this though. I was surprised reading this, it shows how less we value live and the environment over profit.
I don't think it has as much to do about valuing life as it does to being able to draw the line.

When someone dies of COVID19, we have a test that can prove it, we can tally the numbers, and we can show clear cause and effect.

When someone dies of an asthma attack, you can say that air quality was a factor. And you can say that genetics was a factor. And access to long term vs. emergency health care was a factor. And their personal exercise regimen and BMI was a factor. When you can't draw a hard, direct, black line from the death to a single cause, you end up with ... statistics.
 

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