D&D 5E D&D Beyond Self-Censorship: Pride Month Digital Dice Blocked In Some Countries

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South by Southwest

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Also to give an update on the situation: Since I couldn't get a lot of traction from Twitter, I submitted a ticket to D&D Beyond asking whether they could reconsider their regional content blocking policy (at least for Turkey). If I get an answer, I'll write it here.
I really think darjr had a god idea with his suggestion that you approach some sympathetic people inside WotC personally; in my experience, that usually gets the fastest and most satisfying action.

If I remember correctly, either darjr himself or some other members here know some of the WotC folks personally, so perhaps a supporting email from one of them could grease the wheels, too.
 

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Ondath

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I really think darjr had a god idea with his suggestion that you approach some sympathetic people inside WotC personally; in my experience, that usually gets the fastest and most satisfying action.

If I remember correctly, either darjr himself or some other members here know some of the WotC folks personally, so perhaps a supporting email from one of them could grease the wheels, too.
Darjr retweeted my initial message to D&D Beyond (for which I'm super grateful), but this might be an option if other avenues fail!
 

Dukey

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There's unfortunately also censorship on enworld. And if you link to a news article, you are accused of spreading false info. Very troublesome.

Edit: Dont give me false warnings in the first place !!!
 
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J.Quondam

CR 1/8
There's unfortunately also censorship on enworld. And if you link to a news article, you are accused of spreading false info. Very troublesome.
To be fair, your post and the link are still available in that other thread. Nothing was "censored."
 

Dukey

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To be fair, your post and the link are still available in that other thread. Nothing was "censored."
Not true. They censored me by 1. giving me a totally unfair warning, 2. denying me the ability to post additional reactions in that thread, and 3. the mod note reaction in red and the false notification at my post for everyone to see.
 


Dukey

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Please don't turn this thread into a soapbox for whatever beef you have with the moderators.
That is not my intention at all. I stated my message as info, that's all I wanted. Please feel free to ignore it.

Edit: F*ck the woke gestapo mods.
 
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Umbran

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There's unfortunately also censorship on enworld. And if you link to a news article, you are accused of spreading false info. Very troublesome.

Mod Note:
Challenging moderation in discussion threads is not acceptable, per the site terms and rules.

Do we cut people off when they start posting intolerant, bigoted nonsense? Yes, we do!

Anyone who has a problem with that can have a discussion with the site owner, who will probably have less patience with you than I will, to be honest. You are now also done in this thread. That's strike two, today.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
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Not true. They censored me by 1. giving me a totally unfair warning, 2. denying me the ability to post additional reactions in that thread, and 3. the mod note reaction in red and the false notification at my post for everyone to see.
Please (a) review the rules about challenging moderation and (b) do not post again in this thread.
 



Azzy

KMF DM
How on earth am I being 'petulant or repugnant' to suggest someone direct angst at Turkey (a country that literally prejudices and persecutes LGBTI people) instead of WOTC (a company that is openly promoting LGBTI issues) here?
I think the Turkish citizen with LGBT+ friends and family (Ondath) has a better understanding of Turkey's stance on LGBT+ matters than you. The fact that they have repeatedly explained the situation in Turkey and has given their lived experience, yet people that don't live there are trying to act like experts on the situation that they've only read about.
 


WOTC markets this to Turkey.

Next thing the conservative Islamsists in Turkey get wind of Hasbro marketing LGBTI material to kids. Uproar ensues.

Ergodan leans into the 'public morality' laws to prosecute Hasbro and crack down harder on LGBTI people than he already is.

Who wins here?
 


Azzy

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WOTC markets this to Turkey.

Next thing the conservative Islamsists in Turkey get wind of Hasbro marketing LGBTI material to kids. Uproar ensues.

Ergodan leans into the 'public morality' laws to prosecute Hasbro and crack down harder on LGBTI people than he already is.

Who wins here?
LGBT+ rights are not solidified enough in the US that this slippery slope couldn't happen, to some extent, here. Just replace Islamists with another major monotheistic religion, Ergodan with DeSantis or another nutter, and other details as you wish.
 

LGBT+ rights are not solidified enough in the US that this slippery slope couldn't happen, to some extent, here. Just replace Islamists with another major monotheistic religion, Ergodan with DeSantis or another nutter, and other details as you wish.

Oh I agree, but surely the fault in those cases rests on the States with those laws (with the negative stances on LGBTI issues), and not with the companies (who are actively trying to do something positive).

There is only so much you can do as a company. Companies hold a lot of economic clout, but it's nothing compared to the legal and economic (and military) clout of nations.

Turkey (at a minimum) could simply ban Hasbro products from sale in the country as 'LGBTI propaganda' under their morality laws (or simply make new laws). They certainly have form on this (banning LGBTI parades on 'moral' grounds, and banning LGBTI support groups and agencies for the same).

Even though Turkey does not have a specific bans on 'LGBTI propaganda' they do have 'offences against public morality' laws that could be used here (or attempted to be used) and that have already been used as justification to prohibit LGBTI marches and entities.

Hasbro doesnt want to poke that bear, and I can understand why.
 

Slippery slopes to defend a corporation. Neat.

What do you want Hasbro to do? They're a toy company at odds with a Nation State, with a strong conservative Religious majority.

You should be pointing the finger at (your choice of) the Religion, and/or the State (the culprits here) and not the Company.

If Turkey were not dicks about this, there would be no issues. That's the reality here. Hasbro's caution in Turkey only exists because of Turkeys actions and stance.
 

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