I think this is perhaps overstating things a little bit.
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Fifth Element
Legend
TBH, I have trouble taking your comment seriously after this.
What in the world are you talking about? It's even called Spelljammer: Adventures in Space. According to WotC, it "presents the Astral Plane as a Dungeons & Dragons campaign setting unlike any other. Home of the stars and gateway to the heavens, the Astral Plane teems with excitement and possibility. With the help of magic, spelljammers can cross the oceans of Wildspace, ply the silvery void known as the Astral Sea, and hop between worlds of the D&D multiverse."
What part of that suggests that it has nothing to do with space?
Fifth Element
Legend
It sounds like it was written by Ben Riggs.I think this is perhaps overstating things a little bit.
payn
He'll flip ya...Flip ya for real...
What would Jobs "shouting hands back on" equivalent be?
darjr
I crit!
It seems like they don’t like young people playing on their grass.
Two problems though. It’s not their grass and the kids are doing exactly what they did in their youth.
Sacrosanct
Legend
Never got into spelljammer back in the day, and don’t have much interest now. But a couple things:
Branding. It’s important.
WotC wouldn’t bother doing the work or printing books unless they were sure they’d sell tens of thousands of them.
Because spelljammer as a name existed back then doesn’t mean new players won’t find it to their liking now.
Branding. It’s important.
WotC wouldn’t bother doing the work or printing books unless they were sure they’d sell tens of thousands of them.
Because spelljammer as a name existed back then doesn’t mean new players won’t find it to their liking now.
glass
(he, him)
No of course not. I am hardly going to give WotC money for doing something I disapprove of, am I? Nonetheless I know what is in it.
You do not get to tell anyone else what they are allowed to find meaningful.
Yes, whatever could I possibly be talking about. Oh look, it's right there in almost your very next sentence (bolding mine, italics yours):
I'm fine with anyone who wants to (of any age) playing this. I am also fine with anyone who wants to (of any age) playing Spelljammer as published in the 90s. I just do not understand why they needed to use the name of the latter for the former. But by all means, impugn my character because I do not happen to like WotC's latest shiny!
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niklinna
have a snickers
Believing a vegan diet would cure his cancer? There are good reasons to adopt or maintain a vegan diet; that generally isn't one of them. (Full disclosure: I used to be vegan, and I also used to work for Steve Jobs. Coincidence?)What would Jobs "shouting hands back on" equivalent be?
In any case, hit points ≠ hands.
darjr
I crit!
I think you’ve shown you do not.
glass
(he, him)
Is @Fifth Element's quote (an literally everything else written online about it that I have read) inaccurate? No? Then can we be done with the latest round of "glass gets villified for not towing WotC party line" now please?
It is past time for you to consider the possibility that folks have honest opinions about the material, rather than a "party line".
You have admitted that your opinion is not an informed one. Why should it be given creedence?
So, let us try this - what is more meaningful to the setting: The presence of crystal spheres and phlogiston, or the types of stories you get from playing?
And, by the way, crystal spheres and phlogiston have diddly to do with "space".
Fifth Element
Legend
Flashbacks from the edition wars! ("Just don't narrate it as losing a hand! Hands don't grow back from rest either, you know!")What would Jobs "shouting hands back on" equivalent be?
Fifth Element
Legend
Clipping the sentence in order to remove additional context is very poor form. You left out the references to stars, the heavens, Widspace, a silvery void, hopping between worlds. Sounds pretty darn space-y to me.
Fifth Element
Legend
No, the only inaccurate bit I see in this thread is your claim that because they refer to the Astral Plane, it means it has nothing to do with space, despite all of the other things they also refer to which make it very clear it is to do with space.
niklinna
have a snickers
Nor from spells, which only restore hit points.
niklinna
have a snickers
I had the distinct impression from somewhere that in 5e, outer space and the Astral Plane are one and the same.
billd91
Not your screen monkey (he/him)
John Sculley?What would Jobs "shouting hands back on" equivalent be?
Maybe from 4e, which called it the "Astral Sea"?
darjr
I crit!
They are not. Wildspace is outer space. For instance you age there and need to eat and can die of dehydration.
It’s a vacuum and you need air.
Wildspace and the Astral sea do overlap.
But they are not the “same thing”.
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