D&D Wargaming *ARMIES OF EVIL*

[Dalamar]

Or customizing the template. I have created a completely custom monster as my leader (which I would appreciate input on).

 

[Pyrex]

Master Ghalarasser the Terrible, Leader of the Lich King's demonic armies
Medium Outsider (Chaotic, Evil, Extraplanar, Tanar'ri)

Looks good to me, nice job. Math checks out. Except when I apply the Silver Rule I end up at 13.65CR.

Constant Unholy Aura is a little on the cheesy side, but very effective.

 

[Serpenteye]

Or customizing the template. I have created a completely custom monster as my leader (which I would appreciate input on).

I hadn't considered that option, thanks for the tip.

Your demon looks good (which is probably why you haven't got so much input on him). I suggest you pick up a nice custom-made full plate armour instead of the bracers, though. Perhaps a bigger weapon, like a greatsword, would be more useful than the bastard and you might want to drop expertise for Reckless Attack (works like Power Attack but you take a penalty to AC instead of attack. They can be used together for devastating effect.)
Did you apply the standard array (or 25 points) to the character or are the bonuses all racial?

Btw, Does anyone own the 3,0 FR campaign setting? The Shadow Adept sounds perfect for my character, but I need the specifics.

Did you only pay +2,something to CR for casting spells as a 5th level cleric? That's so ing hot. *taking notes* ... *designing* ... *laughing maniacally*

 

[Dalamar]

Looks good to me, nice job. Math checks out. Except when I apply the Silver Rule I end up at 13.65CR.

Well, I rounded down as is done to all the monsters in UK's document. Of course, since my character is custom made, maybe the non-rounded number should be used.
And no standard or point buy because no PC class levels. Though I might pick up a level of barbarian just for the array
About full-plate... Don't know if I want to lose mobility, even if the darn armor is a lot more cost effective than the bracers.

 

[Serpenteye]

Are material components required for spell-like abilities that replicate spells with expensive material components?

(We are playing 3,0, right? Fierari, you should perhaps mention that in the title of the thread, at least in the ooc recruiting, since that information is otherwise not so easy to find.)

 

[Serpenteye]

What do you think about this base creature?
I'm planning on adding a level of fighter to gain proficiencies and point buying.

Shawdowlord

Outsider (includes darkvision and nonraiseability): +0
4 Outsider Racial HDs, +0,7/HD: +2,8

Telepathy: +0,2
Regeneration 5/- : +0,5

Feats: +0,4
*Spell Thematics (Shadow and Darkness)
*Quicken spell-like ability 3/day

Immune to Energy Drain and Ability Score Loss: +1

Natural armour 4: +0,4

Ability scores: +3,4
Str +2, Dex +2, Con +6, Int +8, Wis +4 Cha +12


---

Spell-like Abilities

At will: 
Darkness (as 3rd level caster) +0,03
Dominate Monster (as 17th level caster) +0,765
Shades (as a 11th level caster) +0,33
Greater Shadow Evocation (as 11th level caster) +0,33
Control winds (as 12th level caster) +0,3
Disintegrate (as 11th level caster) +0,33
Horrid Wilting (as 20th level caster) +0,8
Mirage Arcana (as 9th level caster) +0,225
Telepathic Bond (as 9th level caster) +0,225
Teleport (as 9th level caster) +0,225

sum: 3,56

Always Active:
Detect Thoughts ( as 3rd level caster) +0,03
Death Ward (as 7th level caster) +0,14
Invisibility (as 3rd level caster) +0,03
True Seeing (as 11th level caster) +0,33
Spell resistance (as 20th level caster) +0,5
Displacement (as 5th level caster) +0,075
Stoneskin (as 7th level caster) +0,14
Analyze Dweomer (as 11th level caster) +0,33
Fly (as 5th level caster) +0,075
Foresight (as 17th level caster) +0,765
Haste (as 5th level caster) +0,075
Protection from Good (as 1st level caster) +0,001
Tongues (as 5th level caster) +0,075

Sum: 2,566

1/day:
Mind Blank (as 15th level caster) +0,12
Shapeshange (as 17th level caster) +0,153
Disjunction (as 17th level caster) +0,153
Time Stop (as 17th level caster) +0,153
Antilife Shell (as 11th level caster) +0,066
Banishment (as 13th level caster) +0,091
Clone (as 15th level caster) +0,12
Contingency (as 11th level caster) +0,066
Demand (as 15th level caster) +0,153
Detect Scrying (as 7th level caster) +0,028
Discern Location (as 15th level caster) +0,12
Forbiddance (as 11th level caster) +0,066
Limited Wish (as 13th level caster) +0,091
Magnificent Mansion (as 13th level caster) +0,091
Plane Shift (as 9th level caster) +0,045

sum: 2,739

sum of Spell-like abilities: CR 8,865 

Sum of everything: CR 17,565, silver rule: CR 14
..
Regeneration (Ex): No form of attack deals lethal damage to the shadowlord.
If the shadowlord loses a limb or body part, the lost portion regrows in 1d6 
minutes (the detached piece dies and decays normally). The creature can 
reattach the severed member instantly by holding it to the stump.


Telepathy (Su): Sahdowlords can communicate telepathically with creatures 
within 100 feet that speak any language spoken by the shadowlord.

 

[Pyrex]

Serp, we're playing 3.5. There was a vote somewhere in the middle of the main thread.

Wow, that is so wrong. (not wrong as in bad math, wrong as in abuse of the system)

Notes:
You should probably pick either the 'Demon' or 'Devil' subtype.
Regeneration needs to have a way to deal lethal damage.
Quicken SLA applies to a single particular SLA, not all of them.
Caster level for the 'At Will' & 'Continuous' abilities should be the same.
Continuous 'Invisibility' goes away the first time you attack. It either needs to be 'At Will' or needs to be 'Continuous Improved Invisibility'.
If you want SR, pay for it.

 

[Serpenteye]

Serp, we're playing 3.5. There was a vote somewhere in the middle of the main thread.

It seems I'm going to have to redo my creature. I'll wait until Fierari makes a ruling of just how wrong he considers it first.

Wow, that is so wrong. (not wrong as in bad math, wrong as in abuse of the system)

Notes:
You should probably pick either the 'Demon' or 'Devil' subtype.

The shadowlord is more connected to the Shadow plane that either Hell or the Abyss. (Demon and Devil contains a bunch of useless junk I don't feel like paying for)

Regeneration needs to have a way to deal lethal damage.

Not for the Tarrasque, which was used by UK as an example of the CR cost of regeneration.

Quicken SLA applies to a single particular SLA, not all of them.

Right you are.

Caster level for the 'At Will' & 'Continuous' abilities should be the same.

Really? That would make things a bit more balanced, but I'm curious what rule supports this. I'm not trying to be a munchkin, but I think we could use an edge over our enemies.

Continuous 'Invisibility' goes away the first time you attack. It either needs to be 'At Will' or needs to be 'Continuous Improved Invisibility'.

I thought it could be restored as a free action(, as per the Solar).

If you want SR, pay for it.

Technically this kind can be dispelled, which is a serious inconvenience and a nice mitigator. Real SR is far too expensive.

 

[Pyrex]

The shadowlord is more connected to the Shadow plane that either Hell or the Abyss. (Demon and Devil contains a bunch of useless junk I don't feel like paying for)

Fair enough.

Not for the Tarrasque, which was used by UK as an example of the CR cost of regeneration.

True, but every other creature in the MM with regeneration has at least one weakness.

Really? That would make things a bit more balanced, but I'm curious what rule supports this. I'm not trying to be a munchkin, but I think we could use an edge over our enemies.

I don't think it's actually written anywhere, but if you look throught the MM at creatures with multiple SLA's they're usually at the same caster level (ex: Balor). You've already cherry-picked the best of the Wiz and Clr spell lists, min-maxing the caster level is just a little too much cheese.

I thought it could be restored as a free action(, as per the Solar).

Yeah, it can. But since you're effectively trying to duplicate a higher level effect with a lower-level spell the ability should be CR'd at it's actual value.

Technically this kind can be dispelled, which is a serious inconvenience and a nice mitigator. Real SR is far too expensive.

Oh, come on. CL 20 means it's not going to be dispelled that often and you can always bring it back as a free action anyway.
If you want SR, stop being a munchkin and pay for it.

(don't take any of the above personally, I just want the game to be fair and that means not letting any of us get away with anything I wouldn't let the other side get away with)

 

[Serpenteye]

Fair enough.
(don't take any of the above personally, I just want the game to be fair and that means not letting any of us get away with anything I wouldn't let the other side get away with)

That's ok, but since there's a possibility that two of our allies are going to be eliminated or greatly weakened soon I still think it's very reasonable that I try to make the most out of the system. Besides, our enemies characters might be even more broken than mine. We certainly have some catching up to do.