Spoilers Daredevil: Born Again (Spoilers)

[billd91]

Random question: why do people in Daredevil always refer to Hell’s Kitchen as if it was its own city rather than a small part of NYC?

Along with the other answers people have given, sometimes an urban entity as big as New York City is so big and varied that it's hard to conceptually grasp it all at once - particularly for people who live in it. Outsiders or those of us living in American Flyover Country can always just kind of envision it as some monolithic thing - NYC. But, like any urban megalopolis, it's really a massive amalgamation of a lot of littler things (some of which are pretty big on their own) from the boroughs incorporated in the latter part of the 19th century, to the neighborhoods that retain distinctive identities within each borough.

 

[MGibster]

Borough. Just a pet peeve

$#%#A% the English language. Even as I typed it in I thought burrow looked wrong. We're not talking about bunnies.

 

[trappedslider]

But would you refer to your neighborhood as “the city”, or would you reserve that term for the whole of London?

What I mean is, they talk about “the city”, and to me that means all of NYC, but in the next breath, they make it clear they’re just referring to the neighborhood of Hell’s Kitchen – as if it wasn’t part of a much larger city.

Obviously in this new show we’ve expanded to “the city” being all of NYC now that Fisk is the mayor. This is more a question as I watch the OG show.

ah, i never watched the show on netflix

 

[Tonguez]

Borough. Just a pet peeve

although the gnomes of New York living in distinct burrows is a cool image too

 

[pukunui]

ah, i never watched the show on netflix

It's on Disney+ for me. I'm most of the way through S1 now. It's pretty good ... but yeah, there are a number of writing quirks* on the show that I find irksome. There's a whole lot of dialogue that's like "I love this city", "This city needs me", "This is my city", "This city made me who I am", etc ... and every time they're referring to Hell's Kitchen specifically, not the bigger NYC.

And, for the record, I'm only talking about the OG Daredevil show. Not this new one. When they talk about "the city" or "my city" or whatever in Daredevil: Born Again, it's clear they're talking about the whole of NYC.

*Other quirks include the consistent use of "that" instead of "who" and also the frequent use of sentence fragments where I think a real person would use a full sentence. They come up often enough that they are clearly deliberate choices the show's script writers were making, not just the actors taking liberties.

 

[trappedslider]

It's on Disney+ for me. I'm most of the way through S1 now. It's pretty good ... but yeah, there are a number of writing quirks* on the show that I find irksome. There's a whole lot of dialogue that's like "I love this city", "This city needs me", "This is my city", "This city made me who I am", etc ... and every time they're referring to Hell's Kitchen specifically, not the bigger NYC.

I believe that's a carry over from the comics

 

[pukunui]

I believe that's a carry over from the comics

Aha. That could explain it.

 

[trappedslider]

Aha. That could explain it.

also consider how often they would be saying "Hell's kitchen"

 

[pukunui]

also consider how often they would be saying "Hell's kitchen"

They could say "this town" or "this neighborhood" or something to mix it up a bit more.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

My feeling is that is will be revealed that it had everything to do with Foggy, and nothing to do with DD.

I do wonder. Because the new showrunner said it was impossible to do DD without Foggy and Karen, and made a big thing of it, and, minor spoilers, they're only in the first episode. But at the same time he didn't completely re-do the series, which they weren't originally in. So is it even possible for him to change the plot that much - i.e. to make it so Foggy/Karen do matter later on? Or really was the whole thing about how vital they were just loose talk?

The simplest answer is that Devlin didn't know the bag had a candy in it when he gave it to the woman to take to Luca.

Exactly - this is pretty clearly what the audience is intended to understand. That people are even confused is further evidence of how dodgy the directing/editing of that episode was. And also that Disney shouldn't force you to 720p in a browser!

Re: this episode, two most interesting points for me were:

1) Muse went out like a sucker. There was a curious musical sting that made me think they'd have him get up or something but nope, so much for implausibly good taekwondo skills, a gun, and having killed 60 people!

2) Buck is presumably Buck Cashman, aka Bullet, who is normally an American ex-spy with unexplained but significant superhuman speed/strength/toughness (smells like super-soldier serum to me, but it's left open in the comics). Here he is very clearly British, which is weird, and will presumably be less supernatural, just a very precise shooter. Presumably it was he who capped White Tiger - he's the right build/height.

Not terribly excited for the melodrama which will inevitably ensue when Heather finds out Matt is DD. I am just like, kind of completely over secret identity drama, like, forever. To say it's been "done to death" (esp. by reveals to romantic partners) would be a gross understatement. If it was a dead horse, it'd have been beaten to a very fine powder by now. Were it a well, it'd be so dry as to be actively removing moisture from the air.

I like the character I think of as "sleazy guy" (apparently "Daniel Blake"), he's very well-cast and believable in this, and looking him up I see he is played by Michael Gandolfini, so I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree in some cases!