DC Checks From Spells From Scrolls?

[Aluvial]

When determining the DC of a spell from a scroll, do you also add in the ability modifier for the creater of the scroll?

Or is it just the caster level modifier +10?

If a Cleric cast an Owl's Wisdom spell when crafting scrolls, AND you get the ability modifier added in for determining DC, do you get to add the additional bonus from the Owl's Wisdom?



What if the scroll is 'generic', meaning you found it as treasure is some hoard... how do you go about determining the proper DC. I've been making up the caster level of the scroll, but not the ability modifiers... If you do add them in, I've been wrong so far... How do you "wing it"?

Aluvial

 

[kreynolds]

When determining the DC of a spell from a scroll, do you also add in the ability modifier for the creater of the scroll?

No. It's DC 10 + one and a half times spell level.

Or is it just the caster level modifier +10?

I can't remember, but I think that works too. There are two methods to figure it out and I only use the former.

There is, however, a non-epic feat from the ELH that lets you add the creator's modifier to the DC. It's called Enhance Item. Here's a snip...

"Benefit: Choose any item creation feat that you already know. When you create an item with that feat, adjust the DC for saving throws required by the magic item, if any, by your key ability modifier."

 

[Skaros]

Its 10 + spell level of the spell that is on the scroll, by default.

kreynolds, where have you seen the "10 + 1.5 * spell level" formula?

Skaros

 

[Aluvial]

Re: Re: DC Checks From Spells From Scrolls?

No. It's DC 10 + one and a half times spell level.

Sorry, I can't find that in the books... Where is that?


I thought the DC was base 10 + the caster level. I see now because of the other feat you mention that you DON'T add in the ability modifier.


Aluvial

 

[kreynolds]

Its 10 + spell level of the spell that is on the scroll, by default.

kreynolds, where have you seen the "10 + 1.5 * spell level" formula?

No. See page 176 of the DMG.

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Re: Re: DC Checks From Spells From Scrolls?

Sorry, I can't find that in the books... Where is that?

See above.

I thought the DC was base 10 + the caster level.

No. The other way to figure it out is 10 + the level of the spell or effect + the ability bonus of the minimum ability score needed to cast that level of the spell. This is also on page 176 of the DMG.

 

[Maitre Du Donjon]

The 1,5 comes from the fact that in order to scribe a scroll, you need to be able to cast it, and in order to cast a spell of level X, you need a stat of 10+X, which incurs positive modifiers.

So, say, if you want to scribe a 5th level scroll, you need at least a 15 int, which means a +2 to the DC of the spell, so a DC of 17, which is the same as 5 X 1,5 (round down).

I'm realizing that what i just said may not be my clearest message...

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Concerning the DC of the scrolls (or wands) you scribe (or make), you actually need a feat for the spell to have a DC higher than the minimum? damn.

Maitre D

 

[00durrin]

here's how i look at it...which explains why it is 1.5*spell level +10

A level one character has to have a key ability score of at least 11 to cast the spell. His DC is 10+ spell level + 0 if he is absolute minimum

Level 2 spells require a score of 12 to cast. His DC is 10 + spell level +1 (ability score) if he casts the spell (or puts it on a scroll)

Level 4 spells require a score of 14 to cast. DC 10 + spell level + 2 (ability modifier)...

you get the picture. remember that there is a minimum ability score required for someone to cast a spell so it is possible to determine the lowest ability score a creator might have had without knowing anything about the person who made it (it's like CSI over here).

 

[00durrin]

man...he beat me to it

 

[Maitre Du Donjon]

man...he beat me to it

yes but your post was much more concise.