Deities & Demigods

[LordMelkor{Talos}]

What!? Vecna, greatest mage of Oerth, is only 20th level wizard?! It is a shame, he should be 20th Wizard/20th Cleric/10th True Necromancer( wizard`s levels)/5th archmage, this way he would have arcane caster level of 40th, like Karsus, who also managed to become God through his magic. Is Boccob also so weak as an arcane spellcaster?

 

[LordMelkor{Talos}]

Not to mention that Zeus as CG makes no sense, he was guardian of Laws, Oaths and Property! Sounds more like LG. And Arthemis NG! She is an epithomy of CN, wild huntress who doesn`t have much mercy for mortals( see Akteon and Niobe).

Anyway thanks for your info Derulbalskul, forgive my little rant, could you also list Egyptian and Norse Pantheons? Which deities have Divine Rank of 20( I assume head of pantheons)?

 

[Knight Otu]

That's a nice list! I wonder if Upper_Krust has already seen this thread?

I wonder if the Repose domain is the same as the Repose domain from Ravenloft 3E? Or the greater mummy template the same as the one from Relics and Rituals? (Not likely, but possible, on both counts)

What does the berserk prestige class have that the barbarian core class does not have? (I'd rather have a skald, to be honest)

What is the highest Divine Rank a deity in the book has? 20?

What are the classes and levels of Boccob?

Don't kill me for this question - but how are Challenge Ratings for Deities determined? What about Salient Abilities?

Gruumsh's home plane: IIRC this error has also been made in the MotP, where he was mentioned both in Acheron and in the Abyss.

 

[Derulbaskul]

LordMelkor,

Egyptian pantheon:

Re-Horakhty, G, LG
Anubis, L, LN
Apep, D, NE
Bast, L. CG
Bes, L, CN
Hathor, L, NG
Imhotep, D, NG
Isis, G, NG
Nephthys, I, CG
Osiris, G, LG
Ptah, I, LN
Set, G, CE (yep, rather than LE)
Sobek, D, LE (instead of Sebek)
Thoth, I, N

Norse pantheon:

Odin, G, NG
Aegir
Balder
Forseti
Frey
Freya
Frigga
Heimdall
Hel
Hermod
Loki
Njord
Odur
Sif
Skadi
Surtur
Thor
Thrym
Tyr
Uller

Knight Otu,

Pantheon heads have a divine rank of 19; I couldn't find any with a divine rank of 20. The highest ability score I've found is Thor's strength: 92! By comparison, Kord and Hercules have a Str of 55.

Boccob is also a Wiz20/Clr20 but with a divine rank of 17 and 820 hp.

The Repose domain differs to that in Ravenloft and the Greater Mummy template differs to R&R.

Challenge Ratings aren't listed.

I'll quote the first paragraph about salient divine abilities:

"A salient divine ability is like a feat- it gives the deity a new capability or improves one that the deity already has. As noted earlier, a deity has one salient divine ability for each divine rank the deity has, plus additional salient divine abilities reflecting its status: demigods receive one bonus ability, lesser deities receive two bonus abilities, intermediate deities receive three and greater deities receive five."

The berserk prestige class allows "battle fury" instead of rage (basically, improved rage with the drawback that you may accidentally attack a friend or non-combatant), beast shape into your totem animal, a movement bonus and damage reduction. It's OK.

Cheers
NPP

 

[LoneWolf23]

However, Gruumsh's home plane is listed as Acheron? Huh? Someone forgot to read the alignment change for 3E....

Actually, it looks more like someone forgot to read Manual of the Planes:

from the description of Nishrek, the orc cube of Archeron, in Manual of the Plane:

Nishrek: This metalic cube houses the orc pantheon, the head of which is Gruumsh, the one-eyed deity of the orcs. The mildly law-aligned trait is negated on Nishrek, Like Clangor [home of the goblinoid pantheon], Nishrek is heavily carved and tunneled and houses great legions of orc troops.

Unlike on Clangor, the barracks are chaotically arranged, and the tunnels meander. Where Clangor seems gridlike from a distance, Nishrek is swirled with winding streets and trenches, and blotchy with haphazardly arranged strongholds.

Gruumsh's realm in 3E is pretty much the ultimate act of rebellion against Law: a Chaotic Realm within a Lawful plane...

Oh, and BTW, Lord Melkor... I think they gave Zeus a Chaotic Alignment because in Greek myth, he had a tendancy towards pretty unlawful behavior... Namely his *ahem* "Extra-marital activities"...

Although I guess even a Lawful guy could do that...

 

[Knight Otu]

Thank you for your answers, Derulbaskul!

Set, G, CE (yep, rather than LE)

Makes sense for me.

Pantheon heads have a divine rank of 19; I couldn't find any with a divine rank of 20. The highest ability score I've found is Thor's strength: 92! By comparison, Kord
and Hercules have a Str of 55.

He still cannot carry a whole planet . What about Mjolnor? (sp?) - Upper_Krust suspected that it would be the most powerful weapon in the book.
Would DR 20 still be Greater God state (The Call of Chtulhu preview seems to indicate this).

The Repose domain differs to that in Ravenloft and the Greater Mummy template differs to R&R.

The possibility existed, but it was unlikely that they would be the same.

The Repose domain differs to that in Ravenloft and the Greater Mummy template differs to R&R.

I guess this is to stop some people from thinking about them as mere monsters to be defeated? Or do they give CR-guidelines in the second chapter? (I suppose not.)

I'll quote the first paragraph about salient divine abilities:

Which confirms most of Upper_Krusts speculations.

The berserk prestige class allows "battle fury" instead of rage (basically, improved rage with the drawback that you may accidentally attack a friend or non-combatant),
beast shape into your totem animal, a movement bonus and damage reduction. It's OK.

Sounds OK. I guess Beast Shape is similar to the druidic wildshape?

Does the book include some bits about Epic Character progression? (IIRC, it was said that there would be a little bit of "overlap")

 

[Desdichado]

So, is the book available then? I'll call the WotC retail outlet down the street as soon as they open...

 

[LordMelkor{Talos}]

:

Does the book include some bits about Epic Character progression? (IIRC, it was said that there would be a little bit of "overlap")

It seems it has, but there are no extensions of single class above 20th level, this is why Vecna`s and Boccob`s stats don`t make much sense to be, they should be better arcane spellcasters than 20th level wizards.

I would go with NE for Set.

 

[Derulbaskul]

Knight Otu,

You're welcome. I just typed as I read.

Holy snapping! I've just read Mjolnir at your prompting. Try this:

+5 chaotic distance ghost touch holy mighty cleaving returning thundering warhammer +109/+104/+99/+94 melee; 4d8+84/19-20/x3 damage (except that as a greater power he always does maximum damage)

I think it is the most powerful weapon in the book but I haven't looked at too many yet.

Divine ranks are as follows:

0: quasi-deity or hero deity
1-5: demigods
6-10: lesser deities
11-15: intermediate deities
16-20: greater deities
21+: off the scale, "beyond the ken of mortals and care nothing for worshipers"

Beast shape is much like wild shape, albeit more limited.

No guidance is given for CR.

There is a sidebar on epic levels on page 26 which mentions improved BABs and saving throws and the section on divine abilities mentions that some of these are combinations of two or more Epic feats. It also mentions that it may be appropriate to some campaigns to alter the levels shown in DDG after the ELH is released as the deities listed in DDG only have a maximum of 20 levels per class.

Cheers
NPP

 

[Derulbaskul]

Re: Re: Deities & Demigods

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Actually, it looks more like someone forgot to read Manual of the Planes:

from the description of Nishrek, the orc cube of Archeron, in Manual of the Plane:
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Nahhh, read that but simply don't agree that it is appropriate for Acheron, which is more lawful than evil, to house the CE orcs and the NE goblins. Hobgoblins maybe, but it's a small point.

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Gruumsh's realm in 3E is pretty much the ultimate act of rebellion against Law: a Chaotic Realm within a Lawful plane...
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However, this comment of yours, LoneWolf23, may have made me change my mind- thanks!

Cheers
NPP