Detail Discussion

[Bront]

The LEW one should be good, though there were a few tweeks I wanted to add as well. I'll pour over it and make my suggestion.

Also, the Investigation and Research feats. I've always thought they were somewhat redundant with the skills themselves. Any thoughts?

 

[Erekose13]

Fair enough, we need AP anyways. As well as country or background or something like that.

I always liked those two feats. and they offer a way into the lowest level prc in any wotc product Master Investigator. Personally I haven't used any rules like those within the bounds of skills. They might be substandard feats in the eyes of some, but then so is virtually any use of Skill Focus (except UMD for artificers ~ though again that is a point of debate).

I'd think there'd have to be some benefit to leveling in the time units. I'll try to think on it over the weekend.

 

[Ferrix]

The LEW sheet would need action points, region, perhaps an affiliation section. It also isn't the greatest for multiclassed characters as you don't have a place to write Fighter X/Rogue X.

Also, perhaps change the "Level: X" entry to "ECL: X" to include for races with LA & HD.

For time units perhaps

Starting amount of time units = x
Time spent in Living Eberron = x time unit per rl day
Crafting feats = +X
Level up = +X per ECL

Thus craft feats provide a slight bump in units and the level up adds an amount variable by ECL.

 

[Rystil Arden]

For time units, you and idea are seeing exactly eye to eye, Ferrix

 

[Ferrix]

For time units, you and idea are seeing exactly eye to eye, Ferrix

We are brilliant!

 

[Bront]

[B]Name:[/B] 
[B]Class:[/B] XXX X / XXX X
[B]Race:[/B] XXX
[B]Size:[/B] XXX
[B]Gender:[/B] XXX
[B]Alignment:[/B] XXX
[B]Deity:[/B] XXX ([B]Domains:[/B] XXX, XXX)

[B]Str:[/B] XX XX (XXp.)	[B]Level:[/B] X	[B]XP[/B]: XXXX
[B]Dex:[/B] XX XX (XXp.)	[B]BAB:[/B] +X		[B]HP:[/B] XX (XdX+XX)
[B]Con:[/B] XX XX (XXp.)	[B]Grapple:[/B] +X	[B]Dmg Red:[/B] None
[B]Int:[/B] XX XX (XXp.)	[B]Speed:[/B] XX'	[B]Spell Res:[/B] None
[B]Wis:[/B] XX XX (XXp.)	[B]Init:[/B] +X	[B]Spell Save:[/B] XX
[B]Cha:[/B] XX XX (XXp.)	[B]ACP:[/B] -X		[B]Spell Fail:[/B] X%
			[B]Craft Points:[/B] XXXX

[B]	Base	Armor	Shld	Dex	Size	Nat	Misc	Total[/B]
[B]Armor:[/B]	10	+X	+X	+X	+X	+X	+X	XX
[B]Touch:[/B]	XX	[B]Flatfooted:[/B] XX

[B]	Base	Mod	Misc	Total[/B]
[B]Fort:[/B]	X	+X		+X
[B]Ref:[/B]	X	+X		+X
[B]Will:[/B]	X	+X		+X
[B]Notes:[/B]

[B]Weapon			Attack	Damage	Critical[/B]
XXXXXXXX		+X	XdX+X	XX-XX/xX
XXXXXXXX		+X	XdX+X	XX-XX/xX
XXXXXXXX		+X	XdX+X	XX-XX/xX
[B]Notes:[/B]

[B]Languages:[/B] Common, XXX

[B]Abilities:[/B] XXXX

[B]Feats: [/B] XXXX

[B]Spells prepared[/B] (Save DC XX + spell level; XX/XX): 0 - XX, XX; 1st - XX, XX
[B]Spellbook/Spells Known:[/B]
	0 - XX, XX, XX;
	1st - XX, XX, XX;

[B]Psionic Powers [/B] (Save DC XX + Power level; Manifester Level XX)
[B]Power Points:[/B] XX
[B]Powers Known:[/B]
	1st - XX, XX, XX;

[B]Spell-Like/Psi-like Abilities:[/B] XXX

[B]Skill Points:[/B] XX	[B]Max Ranks:[/B] X/X
[B]Skills		Ranks	Mod	Misc 	Total[/B]
XXXXXXXX	XX	XX		XX
XXXXXXXX	XX	XX		XX
XXXXXXXX	XX	XX		XX
XXXXXXXX	XX	XX		XX
[B]Notes:[/B]

[B]Equipment:		Cost	Weight[/B]
XXXXXXXX		XXgp	XXlb
XXXXXXXX		XXgp	XXlb
XXXXXXXX		XXgp	XXlb
XXXXXXXX		XXgp	XXlb
XXXXXXXX		XXgp	XXlb
XXXXXXXX		XXgp	XXlb

[B]Total Weight:[/B]XXXlb	[B]Money:[/B] XXXgp Xsp Xcp

[B]		Lgt	Med	Hvy	Lift	Push[/B]
[B]Max Weight:[/B]	XXX	XXX	XXX	XXX	XXX

[B]Age:[/B] 
[B]Height:[/B] 
[B]Weight:[/B] 
[B]Eyes:[/B] 
[B]Hair:[/B] 
[B]Skin:[/B]

Appearance:

Personality:

Background:

[Sblock=Logs]
XP log:
XXXX from

Wealth log:
XXX gp, X sp from

Other log:
XXXX from
[/sblock]

Notes:
XXXX

[sblock=Advancement]
L## -> CLASS ## HP: +## (HD+CON+OTHER) SP: +## (CLASS+INT+OTHER) PP: +## (Class+ATB+Other) [Left out when not needed, also could simply be a new total instead of a bonus]
SKILL +RANKS, SKILL +RANKS
Feat: FEAT(s)
Spells Known: SPELL
Powers Known: POWER
Other: OTHER NOTES
[/sblock]

Here's my suggestion for the sheet. Has a few tweeks, including the bolding.

 

[frostrune]

Also, the Investigation and Research feats. I've always thought they were somewhat redundant with the skills themselves. Any thoughts?

I've always thought the Research was worthless and redundant with knowledge checks. In my games I have allowed circumstance bonuses to knowledge checks for PCs with access to libraries.

The Investigator feat is a bit different. While you are still effectively making a search check, finding a clue and learning something from it are two different things. I think analyzing a crime scene would take some special training, hence the feat.

Just my opinion.

Frostrune

 

[Bront]

I did A quick inventory on Eberron books and publishing dates.

Eberron Campaign Setting - April 1, 2004
Sharn: City of Towers - November 2004
Races of Eberron April 1, 2005
Five Nations - July 2005
Explorers Handbook - August 2005
Magic of Eberron - October 2005
Players Guide to Eberron - January 2006
Secrets of Xen'Drik - July 2006

Now, ECS is obviously a given, as is Races (Both of which I have). Sharn's been out for a while, so we should probably look at that. I just ordered Five Nations and Explorers (mostly because Sharn was out of stock).

That leaves Magic and Players that are out now and and not on the list of books I have access to. If we go with a 6 month release prologing, both still qualify. I'm not sure that's long enough to assume wide circulation, but it doesn't seem too unrealistic. Obviously, we'll have to include books when it's feasable to do so.

Am I missing any?

 

[stonegod]

That's all of them.

 

[Ferrix]

In the character sheet it's better to use spaces rather than tabs.

Here's what I'd do with it.

[B]Name:[/B] XXXX
[B]Class:[/B] xxxx X/xxxx X
[B]Race:[/B] XXXX
[B]Region:[/B] XXXX
[B]Size:[/B] XXXX
[B]Gender:[/B] XXXX
[B]Alignment:[/B] XXXX
[B]Deity:[/B] XXXX ([B]Domains:[/B] XXX, XXX)

[B]Str:[/B] XX +X (XXp.)     [B]ECL:[/B] X          [B]XP:[/B] XXXX
[B]Dex:[/B] XX +X (XXp.)     [B]BAB:[/B] +X         [B]HP:[/B] XXX (XdX+XX)
[B]Con:[/B] XX +X (XXp.)     [B]Grapple:[/B] +X     [B]Dmg Red:[/B] XX/XXXX
[B]Int:[/B] XX +X (XXp.)     [B]Speed:[/B] XX'      [B]Spell Res:[/B] XX
[B]Wis:[/B] XX +X (XXp.)     [B]Init:[/B] +X        [B]Spell Save:[/B] +X
[B]Cha:[/B] XX +X (XXp.)     [B]ACP:[/B] -X         [B]Spell Fail:[/B] XX%
                      [B]AP:[/B] X           [B]Craft Points:[/B] XX

               [B]Base  Armor Shld   Dex  Size   Nat  Misc  Total[/B]
[B]Armor:[/B]         10    +X    +X    +X    +X    +X    +X    XX
[B]Touch:[/B] XX          [B]Flatfooted:[/B] XX

                         [B]Base   Mod  Misc  Total[/B]
[B]Fort:[/B]                      X    +X          +X
[B]Ref:[/B]                       X    +X          +X
[B]Will:[/B]                      X    +X          +X
[B]Notes:[/B]

[B]Weapon                      Attack   Damage     Critical    Range[/B]
XXXX                          +X      XdX+X     XX-XX/xX    XX ft.
XXXX                          +X      XdX+X     XX-XX/xX    XX ft.
XXXX                          +X      XdX+X     XX-XX/xX    XX ft.
XXXX                          +X      XdX+X     XX-XX/xX    XX ft.
[B]Notes:[/B]

[B]Languages:[/B] Common, XXXX

[B]Abilities:[/B] XXXX

[B]Feats:[/B] XXXX

[B]Spells prepared[/B] (Save DC XX + spell level; XX/XX): 0 - XX, XX; 1st - XX, XX
[B]Spellbook/Spells Known:[/B]
	0 - XX, XX, XX;
	1st - XX, XX, XX;

[B]Psionic Powers [/B] (Save DC XX + Power level; Manifester Level XX)
[B]Power Points:[/B] XX
[B]Powers Known:[/B]
	1st - XX, XX, XX;

[B]Spell-Like/Psi-like Abilities:[/B] XXX

[B]Skill Points:[/B] XX            [B]Max Ranks:[/B] X/X
[B]Skills                      Ranks  Mod  Misc  Total[/B]
XXXX                          X    +X          +X
XXXX                          X    +X          +X
XXXX                          X    +X          +X
XXXX                          X    +X          +X
[B]Notes:[/B]

[B]Equipment:                         Cost  Weight[/B]
XXXX                               XXcp   XXlb
XXXX                               XXsp   XXlb
XXXX                               XXgp   XXlb
XXXX                               XXgp   XXlb

[B]Total Weight:[/B]XXlb      [B]Money:[/B] XXgp XXsp XXcp

                           [B]Lgt   Med   Hvy  Lift  Push[/B]
[B]Max Weight:[/B]                XXX   XXX   XXX   XXX   XXX

[B]Age:[/B] XX
[B]Height:[/B] X'XX"
[B]Weight:[/B] XXXlb
[B]Eyes:[/B] XXXX
[B]Hair:[/B] XXXX
[B]Skin:[/B] XXXX

Appearance:

Personality:

Background:

[Sblock=Logs]
XP log:
XXXX from

Wealth log:
XXX gp, X sp from

Other log:
XXXX from
[/sblock]

Notes:
XXXX

[sblock=Advancement]
L## -> CLASS ## HP: +## (HD+CON+OTHER) SP: +## (CLASS+INT+OTHER) PP: +## (Class+ATB+Other) [Left

out when not needed, also could simply be a new total instead of a bonus]
SKILL +RANKS, SKILL +RANKS
Feat: FEAT(s)
Spells Known: SPELL
Powers Known: POWER
Other: OTHER NOTES
[/sblock]