Discussion for a Kingdom of ashes OOC II

[Laurel]

I can't speak to how much of your personal funds you have in the bag of holding, but yes--you start out Day 1 with 17000 in communal funds for New Oceanus. The Duke may be able pool some resources, and when Jaine arrives, she may have some of this stuff figured out. Everything else is up to you to figure out, but you certainly may be able to attract some free money/loans from people who sympathize with your cause.

On a general note, I have a question for the group. How proactive do you want the major NPCs to be? Is this your rebellion, or is it more something that you are just attaching yourselves to? The Duke can really start pulling strings (for instance), but the more he does, the more it will be his settlement and army than yours, if that makes any sense. Thus far, I have tried to let you guys do most of the management, but it just ocurred to me that you might not find any of this kind of stuff interesting. If you don't, let me know, and you guys can concentrate on the stuff that IS interesting, whatever that may be.

um... I am okay with NPC's taking over more, so we can go out and hack and slash and kill more or just sneak and run around
From a personal stand point: There was already a group rebelling, we even took the name of the army from rumours/accusation already there, by helping Jaine she just said 'your are now the generals'. We have just made it possible for a base of operations, and a rallying point (Jaine and Oceanus). But I do not think of it as OUR rebellion... we are more the heroes (Han, etc.) in Star Wars, but not the Mon Mothma or Admiral Ackbar. Does that make sense???

 

[The_Universe]

um... I am okay with NPC's taking over more, so we can go out and hack and slash and kill more or just sneak and run around
From a personal stand point: There was already a group rebelling, we even took the name of the army from rumours/accusation already there, by helping Jaine she just said 'your are now the generals'. We have just made it possible for a base of operations, and a rallying point (Jaine and Oceanus). But I do not think of it as OUR rebellion... we are more the heroes (Han, etc.) in Star Wars, but not the Mon Mothma or Admiral Ackbar. Does that make sense???

The Star Wars analogy seems apt. I'm interested to hear what the rest of the group says, though. Any thoughts from others?

 

[AIM-54]

The Star Wars analogy seems apt. I'm interested to hear what the rest of the group says, though. Any thoughts from others?

I disagree. I think it is very much our rebellion. Not perhaps at its roots, but while we may not be the centers of it all the time, its success is necessary for us to ever be more than fugitives (speaking of Harrison Ford roles Right now, I think, we are its leaders in more ways than one and that the people are looking to us. I'm not sure we want to get involved in all the adminstration stuff, but I think we should be more than a mercenary addition. That's just how I see it. And I apologize if that's not more clear, my head's kinda fuzzy.

Jeremiah aka "Shadow General"

 

[The_Universe]

Post-Invasion Map of Oceanus

Legend:

1) Docks, Upper and Lower
2) Navy Base (mostly demolished)
3) Amastacian Temple
4) City Watch (being used for holding cells/pens)
5) Centurion's Forest (clear cut)
6) Army Barracks - formerly used by refugees, now being used by Draconids. Unknown purpose.
7) Greyclaw Palace
8) Tower of the Red (Outer towers destroyed, main pyramid remains standing)
9) Apectan Cathedral
10) Centurion King Statue (being re-carved--ultimate shape as yet unknown)
11) Amastacia statue (also being modified)
12) Location (in Harbor) of great bone ship.

 

[The_Universe]

Also...

If there are specific places/landmarks you want to make sure you know the location of, tell me, and I will add them to the map attached above.

The wide space between the wall and the city proper is the cleared "no man's land" created by the Draconids. They seem to be as interested in keeping people from leaving as they are keeping people out.

The Western Gate is the only actual gate, (the arrow near the bottom of the map points North) and it has yet to open for anyone.

 

[Laurel]

I disagree. I think it is very much our rebellion. Not perhaps at its roots, but while we may not be the centers of it all the time, its success is necessary for us to ever be more than fugitives (speaking of Harrison Ford roles Right now, I think, we are its leaders in more ways than one and that the people are looking to us. I'm not sure we want to get involved in all the adminstration stuff, but I think we should be more than a mercenary addition. That's just how I see it. And I apologize if that's not more clear, my head's kinda fuzzy.

Jeremiah aka "Shadow General"

very cool with this explination if I am getting this right
I definately do not think we should just run off on our merry way, and we are all generals of the army with Jaine as queen/head/ruler of the army. The people of the rebellion do look to us, but we are establishing Jaine as Queen and ruler. Plus, I am not sure how much Kareth would like the admin stuff Though Jeramiah is great at it
If we stick with the star wars analogy- Jaine is Mon Mothma, but we are no longer simply fugatives/outlaws--we are now on movie three for roles
If I got what you were saying above correctly...

 

[The_Universe]

More on Walls

For a wall around the entirety of the camp, with it's current size and shape, there are several options.

1) For a packed-earth wall only 10 feet high, it'd cost you 25080 GP--a relatively small fee--you could sell a couple of items, and call it good. I know somebody has a staff of fire around somewhere, worth at least that much. Packed earth is not very strong, but it is a start. 30 Hit Points per section with DR 2/-.

If you increase the wall to 20 feet high, the price increases 3-fold, to 75240 GP. DR remains the same, but now each wall has 90 Hit Points.

2) A wooden wall, 10 feet high, has DR 5/-, and 120 hit point per section. To surround new oceanus, it would cost you 225720 GP. It's harder to climb, and generally superior to packed earth. This is also outside of your immediate means, but by no means impossible.

3) A combination wall of packed earth on the bottom, and wood on top would have 150 HP per section, be 20 feet high, and cost 250800, total. For all intents and purposes, you'd take an average of the DR, rounding up, which would be 4. A decent wall.

4) by increasing the price to 301000, you could get a combo packed earth/wood wall with DR 4 and 210 HP/section. 30 feet high.

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In general, you need the wall to control access to the camp--packed earth can do that, at least in part. However, adding a wooden wall would be a great idea. The Duke is going to pursue option 3 (barring your objections), assuming he can utilize some of his connections to acquire some funds, even as a loan. What do you guys think?

 

[Laurel]

For a wall around the entirety of the camp, with it's current size and shape, there are several options.

3) A combination wall of packed earth on the bottom, and wood on top would have 150 HP per section, be 20 feet high, and cost 250800, total. For all intents and purposes, you'd take an average of the DR, rounding up, which would be 4. A decent wall.

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In general, you need the wall to control access to the camp--packed earth can do that, at least in part. However, adding a wooden wall would be a great idea. The Duke is going to pursue option 3 (barring your objections), assuming he can utilize some of his connections to acquire some funds, even as a loan. What do you guys think?

I am for option 3 as of right now (as I was before). We can see about adding magic to it later to add a little more to it, but this gives us a base for now.

 

[The_Universe]

Help editing the timeline.

Week 1 (days 1-7)
day 1- Breakfast Club One
day 1 -Oath of allegiance
day 1 -Plans start
day 1- Masks -If we do not have them: someone gets deep, deep red cloth and makes masks (all of the soldiers (except the recent additions like Korienne's forces) take to wearing masks similar to Archon's by the end of week 1--they seem consider them a sign of resolve.)
day 2 -Letter to King sent
day 2 -Letter to Surrounding Cities sent
day 2 -Letter to High Elves sent
day 2 -Letter to Dwarves sent
day 2 -Justice starts her daily(?) flights to scout Oceanus
day 2- Farathier sets up his training grounds
day 3 -Group talks about Bluemages amnesty
day 4 -Someone (at least 1 ex-talon and Xath) talks to Duke and Orc military leader (about Jaine and us- all of it) (Orc (Korienne) is questionable, but will wait to meet Jaine before he decide what to do. Duke is fine with the whole thing. Seems excited at the prospect of adventure...)
day 4 –Bob, the giant eagle arrives
day 5 –Portal discovered
day 5 -Scrying of Oceanus
day 5 -Letter to Noble's Council sent (need to see this)
day 5 -Letter to Rhynn Family sent (need to see this)
day 5 -Official start of the military academy
day 6 -Speech to Hywrl (Xath w/help from all)- free oceanis, king bad, we rebels, new queen, amnesty for blue mages
day 6 -Scouts go out on their own into surrounding area
day 7 -Letter to Bluemages sent


Week 2 (days 8-14)
day 8 -Start construction of wall or at least makeshift wall
day 8 -More scouts sent out in all directions
day 8 -Banner finished (Justice) (this is a guess)
day 9 -communing w/the heavens part 1
day 10 -communing w/the heavens part 2
day 11 -Justice chat 1 w/Father Dorn
day 14 -Justice chat 2 w/Father Dorn

Week 3 (days 15-21)
day ? - First attempt of special ops into Oceanus (I'd put this sometime in this week)


Week 4 (days 22-29)
day 25 -Messenger from Jaine
day 25 -Bloody Dwarves
day ?- attempt to get Jaine (this needs to happen sometime in this week, if you're going to do it at all)


Week 5 (days 30-36)
day 32 –Jaine & Co.'s expected arrival, assuming no one interferes with their trip
day 36 -Yoshi and Bob are fully trained for mounted combat!

Things I know are happening, but not when--

day ?- Rings of the phoenix (Arfin) - This'll be done 1-2 days after Arfin (or whomever) starts the project.


That's what I know, gang. Fill in more stuff as you please--this should be finalized by the time we play next.

 

[Laurel]

timeline

um.... universe spoke... so .... let me look at that first