DMs are too easy on their players

[Doug McCrae]

Let's have a conversation, not an argument.

I'm sorry but the very thread title and tone of your first post was far more conducive to the latter. When you then go on to say the first post was a bluff, that makes things even worse. You're not doing anything to encourage a sensible debate and that's why you're not getting one.

 

[Doug McCrae]

As several posters have already pointed out, occasional encounters with massively overpowered oponents are not brilliantly original. They're not breaking any new ground, or anyone's conceptual framework.

They are, in fact, recommended by the DMG 3.5.

 

[Doug McCrae]

As a good example of this, he said cheekily, using the ML/XP system would have put the 3e ogre as a 3rd-level monster. It would not have been under-CRed.

The 3.0 ogre, granddad!

 

[Twowolves]

CR20 Red Dragon - 4d6+12 Bite damage, you are right they have no listed slam damage, but... okay, lets run the numbers and pretend the dragon has done this before.

Wizard 5 Elf (known for their increased Con scores)- possible hp with a 16 Con - 5d4 all rolls were 4s so that means 20 + 3x5 = 35 hp

Scroll of Stoneskin costs 1100 gp gives 10 DR

He did say the old version of Stoneskin, which could mean lots of things. I took it to mean the original version, which instead of giving damage reduction, just negates the next non-magical hit you take, regardless of the damage done. That's how it was in an old 1st ed game I played in, and yeah, you tried to have it up every chance you got.

 

[Tewligan]

I was bluffing in my first post, and a lot of you fell for the bluff.

(irritated look)

I'm not 'bluffing the message board.'

Oh, I just don't know what to believe anymore!

 

[Caliban]

*yawn*

 

[takyris]

This appears to be a borderline-troll by presenting as new something that is explicitly stated in, at the very least, the 3.0 DMG -- some encounters should be speed-bumps, many should be in the easy-to-hard range, and some should be totally over-the-top hard.

Everything else is handwaving, and the "bluffing" bit is either disingenuous or wishy-washy. Neither one encourages me to read the next three-screens-long post the OP writes.

 

[Vigilance]

Some might characterize this as "trolling".

Is ENWorld too easy on our trolls?

Cheers, -- N

I think almost every post Edena makes is a borderline troll, intended not to foster debate but argument. Since the mods disagree, and since it's none of my business anyway, I've responded by putting him on my ignore list and dealing with it that way myself.

 

[shilsen]

Some might characterize this as "trolling".

Is ENWorld too easy on our trolls?

Cheers, -- N

That was my opinion as well, but I was being nice and not mentioning it.

Until now

 

[Lanefan]

I too am confused about how a flying person, Stoneskin or not, can stop a great big dragon dead in its tracks in midair. I also saw something about how a similarly-enchanted mosquito could stop a car on a highway using the same rationale...sorry, can't buy it. Stoneskin (1e or 2e version) would save the person (or mosquito) from any impact damage, but could not prevent said person (or mosquito) from being bounced somewhere into the next kingdom.

I suspect this branch of the discussion should not be entitled "DMs are too easy on their players", but rather "DMs are too hard on their own monsters", for such appears to be the case here.

Lanefan