Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

[Mummolus]

You couldn't do that anyway Darklord, because you cannot gain the benefit of a powers effects or similar if the target isn't a significant threat (often called the "Bag of Rats" rule). Attacking yourself to get a powers effect is definitely under that provision.

Someone willing to attack themselves would become an immediate threat to themselves, for more than one reason, I suspect.

Still, silly.

 

[Aegeri]

Someone willing to attack themselves would become an immediate threat to themselves, for more than one reason, I suspect.

But not according to the rules they aren't (same with attacking allies for effects as well). The bag of rats rule is pretty clear on this: You wouldn't get any benefit or effect from the power.

 

[Mummolus]

But not according to the rules they aren't (same with attacking allies for effects as well). The bag of rats rule is pretty clear on this: You wouldn't get any benefit or effect from the power.

Yeah, I was trying to make a (bad) joke.

 

[Aegeri]

Well, that's when we pull out the crazy bucket.

 

[DarkLord Of DForce]

You couldn't do that anyway Darklord, because you cannot gain the benefit of a powers effects or similar if the target isn't a significant threat (often called the "Bag of Rats" rule). Attacking yourself to get a powers effect is definitely under that provision.

Okay, found that finally, its in the DMG so you're right. It would be hard to justfiy myself as a credible threat to myself. (unless I have a suicidal tendencies themed character?)...

This brings up another scenario though. Lets say an encounter has started. My character whispers "you're a yellow-bellied sapsucker, and your mama wears army boots" to the Swordmage beside of me. He backhands me - could I then drop Temple of Brilliance on him and it be allowable? He's much bigger than I am = credible threat?

Just a thought, thanks!

PS and yes I know, I shouldn't be working so hard on breaking things.

 

[Aegeri]

No, that wouldn't work either and still falls under the bag of rats rule. Also the rule was updated in the rules compendium much more clearly than in the DMG.

 

[Plane Sailing]

I started to attack myself with Temple of Brilliance

I would have thought that the power name itself is a bit of a give-away to your question, no?

"Temple of Brilliance" doesn't *sound* like an attack that could possibly be made stealthily, now does it? It sounds like a huge shining light!

Cheers!

 

[DracoSuave]

This begs the question that if you have a decent attack with a decent bonus to reward you for executing it...

Why does 'smack myself' or 'smack my ally' even come up when theres a perfectly good enemy right there?

 

[P1NBACK]

It's up to your DM.

 

[erleni]

This brings up another scenario though. Lets say an encounter has started. My character whispers "you're a yellow-bellied sapsucker, and your mama wears army boots" to the Swordmage beside of me. He backhands me - could I then drop Temple of Brilliance on him and it be allowable? He's much bigger than I am = credible threat?

Well, if the Swordmage goes on beating the hell out of you until the end of the encounter I guess you can consider it a credible threat.