D&D (2024) Do you see Fighter players at your own table?

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

The poll indicates to me that the existing fighter should continue to exist, as it clearly gets plenty of use.

The mythic warrior and other archetypes need to be added separately, rather than fully replacing it.

sounds like a win win... but I keep being told "we don't need a complex warrior"

 

[Incenjucar]

sounds like a win win... but I keep being told "we don't need a complex warrior"

Some people don't! I do, however. I literally fall asleep when my brain is not working at a certain level of effort (awkward at meetings!), so I physically, medically need something more complex to play a fighter-type character.

 

[James Gasik]

Not the mechanics fault.

The books can do their best to mitigate bad DMing, but the system cannot circumvent bad DMing unless it completely removed them from the equation.

Even your explicit abilities are just as liable to be denied as an improv action is. They aren't anymore protected from cruddy DMing.



Not every table is the same regardless. Acknowledging that as just the nature of TTRPGs in most instances, but not this one because reasons, is not very consistent.



No True Mechanic. (tm)

I'd like some clarification on your stance, because I don't want to misinterpret- it seems like you're saying a DM that doesn't allow Improvise Action to do a thing (whatever that thing may be) is a bad DM, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you're saying.

Is it bad DMing to say no? I mean, any rule, any facet of the game can be warped by a bad DM. But is a DM who says "um, I'm not sure this thing you want to do would be balanced so I'm going to not allow it" bad?

And what if you do swap DM's? My group has three DM's and we don't always agree on things. Is one of us a bad DM for not allowing something the other two allow?

 

[Emberashh]

what mechanic... there is no mechanic, there is no advise just "You can figure it out maybe"

There is a mechanic. You just don't like the mechanic. That is a very important distinction.

this isn't even bad DMing, it's DMing the best you can with a system half written

That is a take, for sure. "This thing ruining all my fun thats easily corrected is the peak of DMing; there can be no better, even when people say otherwise".

Yeesh.

really?

Yes, if we grant that DMs can ban things outright, then yes, your explicit abilities are no more a guarantee from table to table than IA is.

 

[Incenjucar]

I definitely do not like relying on a mechanic that turns the game into Mothers & May-I's. It turns the game into a real life Charisma check.

 

[TwoSix]

I definitely do not like relying on a mechanic that turns the game into Mothers & May-I's. It turns the game into a real life Charisma check.

And even more importantly to the thread topic, it has nothing to do with nonmagical fighters. All characters have equal ability to take improvised actions. I guess a fighter could take an extra one once every short rest with action surge, but that doesn't seem like a huge selling point.

If anything, I would think Bards would be the most suited class for an improvised action, since that will commonly be resolved with a nonproficient ability check, for which Bards would get a bonus via Jack of All Trades.

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

There is a mechanic. You just don't like the mechanic. That is a very important distinction.

no there is no mechanic it's just "Make it up"

That is a take, for sure. "This thing ruining all my fun thats easily corrected is the peak of DMing; there can be no better, even when people say otherwise".

Yeesh.

that is almost like saying "Hey I am going to ignore and shout down all these people saying the problem"

Yes, if we grant that DMs can ban things outright, then yes, your explicit abilities are no more a guarantee from table to table than IA is.

How is "I can take a mechanic away" the same as "You have to make up a mechanic for it"

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

If anything, I would think Bards would be the most suited class for an improvised action, since that will commonly be resolved with a nonproficient ability check, for which Bards would get a bonus via Jack of All Trades.

and bards get bardic inspiration, and song of rest, oh and 9 levels of spells

 

[Minigiant]

there is no mechanic it's just "Make it up"

Exactly.

Again it comess down to people not knowing the design goal of 5e.

5e was designed to not have mechanics that interfere with the Houserules and homebrew of 10+ year D&D veterans to pull them back in after they ran from 4e. It lacks mechanics because you were supposed to already have them.

But what happens if you form a new group. Or you attract new players and DMs.

WOTC: New players? New Groups? Oh crap. Is 5e a success and needs actual suggestions, guides, guidelines, and variants?

 

[Scott Christian]

Some people don't! I do, however. I literally fall asleep when my brain is not working at a certain level of effort (awkward at meetings!), so I physically, medically need something more complex to play a fighter-type character.

Could you elaborate. I want to be clear, I do not doubt, but I really-truly do not understand your statement.