Dragon 305 back cover ad-worse then the F-word?

[Tewligan]

4) I'm hoping for some "normal" issues without any salacious
material for the conspiratorial grist mill.

Does this mean I should scrap my d20 article on integrating the Kama Sutra into your game?

 

[hellbender]

I'm Spanish and I must say he is 100% right...

My girlfriend is from Madrid and we go and visit every so often. Having been in many parts of the world myself, I must say a 'camel toe' or bit of nipple or occassional swear word is nothing compared to the open violence and malice I have seen. I can only hope that people can grow up and deal with advertisements and swear words in a periodical.


h.

 

[Olive]

2) I personally blew it when I did the review of the dummy book because I didn't look closely enough at the ad to notice the provocative stuff (she's a demon with wings...okay?). I know that's hard to believe, but I didn't notice the anatomical "excitement" until one of my editors held up a printed copy of the back cover and asked me if I realized what we had done. You can disagree with a lot of the stuff I've done and you can point the finger at me directly on this one, BUT the truth is that this one was carelessness, not a plan to create additional shock value.

on ya Johnny. Easy mistake to make. I think you're doing a good job, swear words and all!!!

 

[Dragongirl]

If you are offended, boycott the advertiser (like I do with Avalanche Press), let them know you don't like it. Maybe even write Dragon.

 

[KnowTheToe]

Isn't the woman a bit, uh, graphic?

Her nipples are showing and dare I say her crotch is also a bit revealing (think camel).


--*Rob

Glad to see you know your toe

 

[Zappo]

It is funny, for example, to hear people in Spain have an exchange of words that, depending where you are located in the States, would either cause a fight or a lawsuit.

Yeah, it's true. Here in Italy, too. Among friends, noone even perceives swearwords as such, and it's fairly normal to have full (though usually not frontal) nudity in ads about pretty much anything.

Whether it's good or not is a topic not to be discussed, though.

 

[Kershek]

Yeah, it's true. Here in Italy, too. Among friends, noone even perceives swearwords as such, and it's fairly normal to have full (though usually not frontal) nudity in ads about pretty much anything.

Do you have 3 and 4 year olds swearing freely?

 

[Mark CMG]

Re: Re: Dragon 305 back cover ad-worse then the F-word?

Either that or the vast majority of their reading audience are heterosexual white males age 15-35.

You're just plain funny

 

[Ulrick]

Note to all conspiracy buffs:

1) Paizo does not do the creative on the ads.

2) I personally blew it when I did the review of the dummy book because I didn't look closely enough at the ad to notice the provocative stuff (she's a demon with wings...okay?). I know that's hard to believe, but I didn't notice the anatomical "excitement" until one of my editors held up a printed copy of the back cover and asked me if I realized what we had done. You can disagree with a lot of the stuff I've done and you can point the finger at me directly on this one, BUT the truth is that this one was carelessness, not a plan to create additional shock value.

3) We did not edit George RR Martin's vocabulary because:
a) we figured that those who would be interested in the
novella would already know what to expect;
b) we didn't want to be accused of bawdlerizing a novella
that would appear in its original form when the novel is
published; and
c) we don't hire our favorite authors to put restrictions on
them.
You should not expect to see either the S-bomb or the
F-bomb in traditional Dragon articles. Believe it or not, we
have turned down more than one story by significant
authors because the material was more sexual in nature
and didn't fit the game world. It would be hard to argue
that Martin's fiction doesn't tie in well with the game world.

4) I'm hoping for some "normal" issues without any salacious
material for the conspiratorial grist mill.

Johnny L. Wilson
Publisher, Dragon magazine

So I take it there's not going to be any page 3 girls anytime soon....

j/k

 

[Painfully]

I honestly just didn't notice it, but I think the fact that it is an illustration rather than a live actor does make a difference towards acceptability. I can remember being much more offended over the Insane Clown Posse ad where one of their band members was covered with fake blood, and looking like he was enjoying it. Haven't you ever known kids in high school to draw girlie pictures? This is tame to say the least.

I remember a cover illustration many years ago with a naked woman wearing some kind of see-through dress sitting atop an altar. That one had nipples and had no problems making the cover of Dragon! Still, even that cover was probably rated PG-13, and I don't think most kids mature enough to play D&D would have had a problem with it.

Keep it rated PG-13 I say. As for the back cover illustration, it's really not that provacative IMO (and that's coming from a guy that just bought $100 worth of their minis). They'd do better if they had a full page of that cavalry mini, it's fantastic!