WotC Dragonlance: Everything You Need For Shadow of the Dragon Queen

WotC has shared a video explaining the Dragonlance setting, and what to expect when it is released in December.

World at War: Introduces war as a genre of play to fifth edition Dungeons & Dragons.

Dragonlance: Introduces the Dragonlance setting with a focus on the War of the Lance and an overview of what players and DMs need to run adventures during this world spanning conflict.

Heroes of War: Provides character creation rules highlighting core elements of the Dragonlance setting, including the kender race and new backgrounds for the Knight of Solamnia and Mage of High Sorcery magic-users. Also introduces the Lunar Sorcery sorcerer subclass with new spells that bind your character to Krynn's three mystical moons and imbues you with lunar magic.

Villains: Pits heroes against the infamous death knight Lord Soth and his army of draconians.

Notes --

• 224 page hardcover adventure
• D&D's setting for war
• Set in eastern Solamnia
• War is represented by context -- it's not goblins attacking the village, but evil forces; refugees, rumours
• You can play anything from D&D - clerics included, although many classic D&D elements have been forgotten
• Introductory scenarios bring you up to speed on the world so no prior research needed

 

[Maxperson]

You absolutely have not shown that. That’s like you saying ‘I have given you 10 reasons why the Earth could be flat’.

No. That's a False Equivalence. This if fact. A valid reason other than your assumption could have been created and not submitted, created and then cut by the creators, or created and then cut by TSR. Unless you can prove what the reason(if any) actually was, you cannot logically eliminate any reasonable possibility.

If you want to illogically claim that it must be because the gods didn't create orcs, be my guest. Just don't expect anyone else to follow your assumption.

You are ignoring what we know beyond a shadow of a doubt (because we do have Krynn’s history) and then spout things we know never happened as possible reasons. That is not how anything works.

I'm ignoring nothing. There is literally nothing that supports your assumption.

agreed, but you would expect it to cover the major events, esp since we have a history covering much more minor events

Why would orcs not being in Krynn be a major event of a setting that only covered a few hundred years? There are thousands of years of history and many major events that must have happened during that time that the setting doesn't mention.

If you're talking about the origin "story" at the beginning of the Dragonlance Adventures book, then there are also no Centaurs, Carrion Crawlers, Dryads, Giants, Undead, Goblins, Hobgoblins, Trolls, etc. that are listed on the Unified Ansalon Monster Chart.

Clearly the origin story doesn't mention anywhere near all the races created, which means orcs could have been created and overlooked there as well.

Also, Occam's Razor: we know orcs do not exist, we have no evidence that they ever existed, we also have not heard anything about them being wiped out (unlike for Dark Sun), easiest solution: they never existed.

That's the most likely reason, yes. Occam's Razor doesn't not yield the only possible reason or even the correct reason. Only the most likely. In this case, since we know about editing of media and human fallibility, it's only the most likely by a hair. You declaring what MUST be the reason is pretty logically borked.

There is more than one book, this goes back to 2) you do not know what you are talking about and never bothered finding out

ROFL

Then, oh knowledgeable one, quote to me where it says what that orcs were not created by the gods and that's the reason that they don't exist. If you can't, then you are talking out of your behind with the above statement.

 

[mamba]

Why would orcs not being in Krynn be a major event of a setting that only covered a few hundred years?

The history covers maybe 10000 years or so, the creation up to today. More proof that you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

There is uninformed and then there is willfully ignorant, you seem to be the latter at this point. No point continuing this.

 

[Maxperson]

The history covers maybe 10000 years or so, the creation up to today. More proof that you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

Then show me the quote. You talk a lot and say nothing. At least what I'm saying makes sense. Especially the part where they can't possibly touch on all the significant events AND give detailed information on modern Krynn in the amount of space the supplements provide.

Put up or...

 

[mamba]

Then show me the quote. You talk a lot and say nothing. At least what I'm saying makes sense.

no, it absolutely does not. What you are saying makes zero sense given the history we do know - correction, that is available and you are clearly entirely unaware of.

Also, there is no quote ‘the gods never created orcs, that is why they do not exist’, it does however mention the creation of the different playable races over time (this does not happen all at once). Guess which one is not mentioned, unlike all the ones that do exist… which makes perfect sense but makes a quote impossible, for much the same reason you cannot prove a negative - and the quote ‘there are no orcs’ apparently is not sufficient

I really do not care if this convinces you. I won’t reply again.

 

[Veltharis ap Rylix]

The history covers maybe 10000 years or so, the creation up to today. More proof that you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

There is uninformed and then there is willfully ignorant, you seem to be the latter at this point. No point continuing this.

I'm not going to claim to be an expert in Dragonlance, because I most certainly am not, but there are real world civilizations that vanished so completely that we only know of their existence because they were once trading partners with ancient Egypt (for example) and the Egyptians wrote about them on tablets and artifacts that happened to survive long enough to be discovered and translated by modern scholars. And the earliest known real world agricultural civilizations only date back to ~4000 BCE.

Ten thousand years is a very long time, and the history of an entire world is a very big topic. The idea that the full, comprehensive canon of Dragonlance is so finely detailed that there is literally no room for a previously unknown civilization (such as orcs) to have existed somewhere in the world of Krynn at some point, even if they died out long ago, seems...a bit hard to believe.

 

[mamba]

I'm not going to claim to be an expert in Dragonlance, because I most certainly am not, but there are real world civilizations that vanished so completely that we only know of their existence because they were once trading partners with ancient Egypt (for example) and the Egyptians wrote about them on tablets and artifacts that happened to survive long enough to be discovered and translated by modern scholars, and the earliest known real world agricultural civilizations only date back to ~4000 BCE.

Ten thousand years is a very long time, and the history of an entire world is a very big topic. The idea that the full, comprehensive canon of Dragonlance is so finely detailed that there is literally no room for a previously unknown civilization

You do realize that this is not lost to time, because this is a fictional world, right ?

There is plenty of stuff the people in the world have forgotten, yet it is part of the recorded history the DM has access to (the setting book…)

Also, wiping out an entire race would be mentioned, that is not a minute detail, see Dark Sun.
We even have one race that essentially disappeared, the Irda. Their story is mentioned, further indication that the orcs would have been too, had they ever existed in the first place.

Finally, we have the creation of the various player races in this history, orcs are somehow not mentioned, ever, I wonder why… this is really not that hard…

 

[Veltharis ap Rylix]

You do realize that this is not lost to time, because this is a fictional world, right ?

Also, wiping out an entire race would be mentioned, that is not a minute detail, see Dark Sun. Finally, we have the creation of the various player races in this history, orcs are somehow not mentioned, ever, I wonder why… this is really not that hard…

I'm not saying orcs canonically existed on Krynn and it just somehow wasn't mentioned. I am keenly aware that the developers of Dragonlance chose to exclude them for whatever reason.

What I am saying is that I don't think finding/making a place to insert orcs into the setting, if that is what WotC chooses to do, is all that big of an issue.

 

[Maxperson]

no, it absolutely does not. What you are saying makes zero sense given the history we do know - correction, that is available and you are clearly entirely unaware of.

Also, there is no quote ‘the gods never created orcs, that is why they do not exist’, it does however mention the creation of the different playable races over time (this does not happen all at once). Guess which one is not mentioned, unlike all the ones that do exist… which makes perfect sense but makes a quote impossible, for much the same reason you cannot prove a negative - and the quote ‘there are no orcs’ apparently is not sufficient

Wow! Let me help you with this one. Orcs..........were..........not..........a.........playable.........race. They were a monster and would not have been mentioned there.

I really do not care if this convinces you. I won’t reply again.

Feel free. I'd rather talk to people who know what they are talking about.

 

[mamba]

I'm not saying orcs canonically existed on Krynn and it just somehow wasn't mentioned. I am keenly aware that the developers of Dragonlance chose to exclude them for whatever reason.

What I am saying is that I don't think finding/making a place to insert orcs into the setting, if that is what WotC chooses to do, is all that big of an issue.

You have a weird way of saying that

If WotC wants to add orcs, they will do so and rewrite history. They won’t bother trying to squeeze them into the (basically nonexistent) gaps and pretend they were there all along and we somehow just missed them. And they absolutely should take this approach if they decided to add orcs, anything else is adding insult to injury.

I do not care whether WotC adds orcs or not, I can decide for myself whether to throw them out if they do or add them in if they don’t. It makes no difference to me, but pretending they were there all along in the history we have today (who knows about a month from now) is just nonsense

 

[mamba]

Wow! Let me help you with this one. Orcs..........were..........not..........a.........playable.........race. They were a monster and would not have been mentioned there.

but half-orcs are, and without orcs, no half-orcs. Also, ogres are not a playable race, yet we have them in it, guess you did not know that either...

I'd rather talk to people who know what they are talking about.

why would you want to be embarrassed further?