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D&D 5E Dragonlance Lawsuit Dismissed Without Prejudice

The recent lawsuit brought against D&D publishers Wizards of the Coast by Dragonlance authors Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman has been voluntarily dismissed without prejudice.

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When a lawsuit is dismissed with prejudice, it means that the plaintiff cannot bring the issue back to court. When -- as in this case -- it is dismissed without prejudice, the plaintiff can try again.

In this case it was voluntarily dismissed by Weis & Hickman. We can only guess why; perhaps a settlement occurred? In any case, Margaret Weis tweeted, thanking people for their support, and hinting at exciting news to come.

"Pursuant to Rule 41(a)(1)(A)(i) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Plaintiff Margaret Weis, LLC and Tracy Hickman hereby gives notice that the above-captioned action is voluntarily dismissed as to Wizards of the Coast LLC, without prejudice. Defendant Wizards of the Coast LLC has not filed an answer or motion for summary judgment, no proceedings or discovery have been undertaken as to these claims, and this action is not subject to any federal statute which would preclude the dismissal of this action under Rule 41(a)(1)(A)(i)."


 

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After decades of ignoring it, I am finally just getting to Dragons of Summer Flame now. For me, Dragonlance had been fossilized in Amber after the first three trilogies (counting the anthologies as such).

Also, they evolved Krynn so far that it does not resemble the most popular era, anymore. Restoring the most popular elements of it may be hard in a "go forward" approach.

Yeah, in addition to how the Problematic Three Races are written, going back and reading stories where the rest of the world is just okay with treating them like garbage is pretty grating.
There are representations in Dragonlance that would be poorly received by too many people today.

As for that tweet by Hickman, the positioning of the Sony logo looks pretty intentional. Time will tell...
 

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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Check the date of print, if it's included on the book page. If the book wasn't printed in the past 10 years, then it's entirely reasonable to say that the books are 'out of print', as the last printing is still being sold in the market and thus there's no reason to issue a new print run.

Brick and mortar bookstores are unlikely to be keeping decade-old paperback printings around on the shelves, though. Maybe back in a warehouse somewhere to fulfill online orders, but shelf space is precious.
 



darjr

I crit!
And why hasn't anyone exploded about what looks to be a VR headset powered up on the desk behind his shoulder? Why hasn't anyone deeply enough into that to come out somewhere in the Indian Ocean?!?

Come on people! Details!
Oh and he’s wearing a Apple Watch! Apple TV D&D cartoon confirmed
 




Pauper

That guy, who does that thing.
Brick and mortar bookstores are unlikely to be keeping decade-old paperback printings around on the shelves, though. Maybe back in a warehouse somewhere to fulfill online orders, but shelf space is precious.
That might be more true of stores today, but when I was working in bookstores, the SF/Fantasy section was very often scattered with very old printings of books considered 'classics' -- I distinctly remember shelving a 20-year old printing of Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land", as an example. This is more true for hardcovers than for paperbacks, but even well-considered trade paperbacks can be surprisingly old.

The original Dragonlance books would certainly fall into that category; I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a 10+ year old printing of Dragons of Autumn Twilight sitting in the Fantasy section of a Barnes & Noble, especially if it was a hardcover.

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Pauper
 

That might be more true of stores today, but when I was working in bookstores, the SF/Fantasy section was very often scattered with very old printings of books considered 'classics' -- I distinctly remember shelving a 20-year old printing of Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land", as an example. This is more true for hardcovers than for paperbacks, but even well-considered trade paperbacks can be surprisingly old.

The original Dragonlance books would certainly fall into that category; I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a 10+ year old printing of Dragons of Autumn Twilight sitting in the Fantasy section of a Barnes & Noble, especially if it was a hardcover.

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Pauper
There aren't actually many bricks-and-mortar dedicated bookstores left in the UK. There are still a couple of large ones in London, but those town-sized bookshops that still survive have shrunk down and diversified. There are still a couple of large provincial second hand book sellers around (I know a good one in Rochester), and they are probably the best place to find a print edition of Dragonlance.
 

Staffan

Legend
Didn't work well for Dragonlance at all. S'why most people say they ignore the later stuff

... Has advancing the timeline worked for any RPG product? I know we were all metaplot crazy in the 90s, but I figured most people were just upset and annoyed with it by the end
I can't think of a setting where a timeline skip has worked out well. The closest I can come is Forgotten Realms 5e, where they advanced the timeline as a way to fix the previous timeline skip. But in most cases, changing the setting via timeline skip will turn off the previous fans (because the things they enjoyed about the setting are gone), and won't attract new ones (who still see the setting as what it used to be).

A reboot can work. Dark Sun 4e was fairly well received (by 4e standards), and ignored the developments after the original box (I don't recall off-hand if it was set before or after Tyr was freed). TORG: Eternity seems to be working out fine. In both cases, these took settings/games that had been inactive for a very long time, so the old fans weren't likely to be actively using them. They also took care to examine what worked about the old version and keep that thing around, while jettisoning things that might not have been the best ideas to begin with.
 

Staffan

Legend
Eberron 5e is the same starting date as Eberron 3.5.

4e moved forward, I think, a year or two.
Nope, every edition of Eberron has been set in the same year. They were considering it with 4e but decided not to.

The thing about Eberron is that a big part of the setting's attraction is the actual situation going on - the War just ended, and no-one is quite sure what actually happened. There are also a bunch of potential threats that could escalate any day now. Moving the setting forward would require that you actually resolve a bunch of those plot threads, instead of leaving them hanging for the DM to do something with. It's sort of like the Wild West - the period we think of as the Wild West was really a pretty brief period of a few decades, and moving forward from that removes a lot of the things we consider to be the Wild West.
 

I wouldn't be too surprised if there is a reboot...of the novels themself, adding some thing, changing others, for example a softer image of kenders and gully, or even allowing for example the seekers could be training for psionic powers. Maybe the story is about a group of characters who "travel" to the Akasha-realm, something a clone world created by the collective memory, something like the place by Tanis in th novel "Tanis the shadow years" (I read it in the public library).

A movie by Sony Pictures? Possible, but it has not to be about any title by WotC, but other TH's work.
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
Glad to see there was some reconciliation. I assume at minimum that a new series of Dragonlance books will be released, in some form. Considering they seem mostly written, an announcement may not be too far away.
 





Sony has got some links with Harry Potter franchise. I guess TH may colaborate with some videogame.

This is fun, because Hasbro wants to create a new IP of wizardry school, one of the future settings for Magic: the Gathering, Strixhaven.
 


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