If I have to google it, that makes my point quite well, pal.
Haha, nope! Your "point" (such as it was) was "are there any" masculine gods of evil who are trapped in a "hell plane." And of course, when the answer turned out to be "yes, quite a lot" you suddenly pivoted to "yeah, but are they prominent"?
Powers aren’t all gods, though. Titans specifically aren’t gods.
Leaving aside that the 1E
Manual of the Planes flat-out says (p. 124) "These beings, known as demi-gods, lesser gods, and greater gods, are grouped into the general category of Powers." So yeah, the titans are treated as being gods for all intents and purposes. Which is, you know, what the aforementioned
Vortex of Madness says.
Lol in that description sure. In others it is amorphous, in other she is feminine.
And yet Moander's primary presentation is masculine. Funny how you keep ignoring that when it suits your point.
Wotc era D&D isnt flexible at all about it. A demon or slaad lord isn’t a god.
Oh, so now you're asking about "WotC era D&D"? Where was that in your
initial post, pray tell?
Well this guarantees this will be my last reply to you. I’ve very little respect for people who behave like this.
Pot, kettle, yadda yadda yadda.
Vecna (pronounced: /ˈvɛknɑː/ VEK-nah) was a once-human king and lich from Oerth who ascended to godhood. While he was once considered the most powerful lich to dwell on that world, over the ages he spent in undeath Vecna became maligned across the multiverse, and was considered the scourge of...
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So you don’t know what nuance is. Not the flex you seem to think it is, bud.
I'd explain the difference between "nuance" and "never mentioning a particular qualifier at all," but given that your entire point depends on you not understanding that, it strikes me as a pointless endeavor.
And yet, no actual denial is made regarding your ignorance of the lore.
Please quote where I claimed there were none.
So you complain that your "nuance" isn't being recognized, and then turn right around and show your own inability to recognize it? Tsk.
Feel free to actually explain to the rest of the class why you think that 3 gods, only 1 of which is both masculine and of any importance at all (seriously who gives a damn about deities that haven’t been in a print product for multiple editions and decades and even people in thier 30’s and 40’s probably don’t know exist? Lol like congrats on being the most pedantic person in the room, I guess?) makes what I actually said “laughably wrong”?
Because you asked "are there any" without any sort of qualifier, and somehow think that there's some sort of magical "nuance" which means that you meant...honestly, I'm not even sure, since you've still done an incredibly poor job clarifying your original point. Of course, that's because there
was no nuance in your original point, so now you're trying to go back and retroactively add something about...popularity, I think? But yeah, your original sarcastic question about where were the trapped masculine gods of evil is indeed laughably wrong, since there are many such deities.
Here, I'll even give you another one: the Chaos god, from Dragonlance, who's trapped in the Greygem. Sure, it's no "hell plane," but it's certainly relevant, since it's a major plot point regarding the recently published
Dragons of Deceit novel from Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman. Or does a novel from two New York Times bestsellers that's just over a year old not popular enough for you?
While you’re at it, please explain how a question challenging the state of a thing in the present tense can be proven “laughably wrong” by a bunch of pedantic and questionable examples from decades ago, most of whom can’t even be assumed to be part of the game anymore.
If you wanted to add a whole bunch of restrictions like "state of a thing in the present tense" and "part of the game anymore," then maybe you should use those the first time around so people actually know what you're talking about. Because claiming all of that is somehow
magically understood nuance isn't cutting it.
