Dual-wielding Slings?

[Flying Monkey Style]

So, if you can't use TWF on ranged weapons, then you can't throw two knives? That doesn't make sense. Do some critical thinking, if your player can figure a way to make two slings believably work, like maybe, have multiple pre-loaded slings already on him, let him...It's your game, not the PHB's

 

[jontherev]

You reload each sling simotaneously
THe right hand reloads the left and the left reloads the right, my brother has been wanting to do this for his tempest sometime

Screw the TWF rule, it doesn't make sense, if it's only for melee weapons, then you can't throw two javelins which makes absolutely no sense.

Not true. You can dual throw javelins just fine without the TWF feat...but you won't get the penalty offset that a dagger wielder would with the feat. The lack of the TWF feat working for ranged weapons does NOT prevent the ranged weapon wielder from dual-wielding.

 

[the Jester]

So, if you can't use TWF on ranged weapons, then you can't throw two knives? That doesn't make sense.

That's what rapid shot is for.

 

[daemonslye]

rapid shot and quickdraw that is... ~D

 

[Corlon]

I'm gonna let someone if they REALLY want to and explain how they do it.

It's just one of those things, becuase by the rules, you can slice a stirge off you with a greatsword, now explain how that works? (this actually came up, and the character just started punching them off )

 

[kreynolds]

So, if you can't use TWF on ranged weapons, then you can't throw two knives?

Of course you can throw two knives, but your penalties are -4 and -4 w/Ambidexterity. It's not that bad.

 

[melkoriii]

Both Whips and Slings got passed over too quickly by play test.

In real life a sling is a weapon that helps THROW a stone or bullet just like a Spear/Javelin foot is used to throw a spear/javelin. So it is a thrown weapon NOT a projectile weapon.


The Whip should be used just like a spiked chain with a reach of 15ft.

 

[Caliban]

Both Whips and Slings got passed over too quickly by play test.

In real life a sling is a weapon that helps THROW a stone or bullet just like a Spear/Javelin foot is used to throw a spear/javelin. So it is a thrown weapon NOT a projectile weapon.

Have you ever actually used a real sling, or seen one used by a person who is really proficient with it? What do you have to back up this opinion?

I can't say one way or the other, because I can't say that I've ever seen a sling actually used. I'm just having trouble seeing how having a stronger arm will help you spin a sling faster. Big muscles are not the same thing as fast muscles.

The Whip should be used just like a spiked chain with a reach of 15ft.

You have never used a real bullwhip, have you? (A bullwhip is a real-world equivalent to the 15' whip in the PHB.) I have seen them in use. A whip is nothing like a spiked chain in use or effect. The whip rules are fine.

 

[Mistwell]

According to Stoneslings.com, there are two methods of releasing the slingstone/shot from the sling. They are:

RELEASE 1 (Underhanded): After loading the sling as described above, swing the sling FORWARD as in fast-pitch softball. Your arm should be moving at the shoulder, not at the wrist-- the cords are an extension of your arm, and you are making a large, somewhat diagonal circle in the air. Practice releasing your thumb at the moment when the projectile will leave at a 45 degree angle. You can even get a running start with this method. This type of swing is great for power and distance--lobbing. It lacks accuracy though.

RELEASE 2 (Over the Head): This method starts as the first-- underhanded and forward. But, as the sling is swirling, bring it over your head, your arm turning more at the elbow than the shoulder. The circle over your head should be about perpendicular with your body. Again the sling cords are extensions of your arm. This time, however, you throw like a baseball. Throw your arm like you would if you were throwing a baseball but only when the pouch is swinging forward--add the strength of your arm to its momentum. Practice to get a feel for the release point. You'll feel less power with this method, but the accuracy will be up.

Note that the second method specifically mentions that you are adding the strength of your arm to the momentum of the shot (though I think both methods would use strength as an element).

I have (tried) to use a sling once before. Let's just say I was not sucessful, and suffered a minor injury in the process...however those who were able to use the sling did seem to cause more damage (to a cardboard wall) if they were stronger. It seemed to me that the shot will go farther, and hit harder, if you are stronger. It's similar to a baseball - if you thrust forward harder, the shot will fly harder.

I think if reality were important to the sling rules (which it isn't necessarily) that dex should determine your attack modifier, but strength should determine your damage modifier. I also think it should be treated as a thrown weapon for purposes of the halfling thrown weapon bonus.

 

[melkoriii]

Have you ever actually used a real sling, or seen one used by a person who is really proficient with it? What do you have to back up this opinion?

Yes I have used a Sling before in the SCA.
Also in my physics class mechanical energy was discussed and two examples they used for leverage were the Foot for Spears and the Sling. Both do exactly the same thing. Extend the length of your arm to get more throwing energy.

You have never used a real bullwhip, have you? (A bullwhip is a real-world equivalent to the 15' whip in the PHB.) I have seen them in use. A whip is nothing like a spiked chain in use or effect. The whip rules are fine.

Granted I have only dabbled with a whip but I do know that one main use of a Whip is to keep foes away from you, ie AoO. But in D&D 3ed anyone can run right up and you cant do anything.
12’ Bullwhips do have a 15’ reach though.

The gripe I have with the rules is that it’s a ranged weapon. So you cant use melee feats with it, yet they say you can Trip and Disarm with it, tho ranged weapons can no do ether.
Then The Lasher PrCl says you can Flank with a whip (Under the sneak attack ability you get a 1st lvl in the errata, note that this ability can only be used with a whip or whip-dagger), But you cant Flank with a ranged weapon. If you can because of the PrCl, at what range? They don’t say.

So what melee feats can you use and what cant you use.


I don’t even want to get into that a weapon that NEEDS a PrCl to make it viable (Let alone a Exotic Weapon) is just wong.