DrunkonDuty
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I found the manner in which the movie addresses the white messiah trope to be rather limp. I'll give them points for trying. Well, one point. Cos, they really didn't try very hard.
Paul is meant to be a hero, a messiah, and Herbert’s point was that is dangerous to blindly follow leaders. Skin color has nothing to do with it given that, on one side, the few physical descriptions of the Atreides in the book point to them not being white, on the other, Liet is another messianic figure who’s manipulating the Fremen for his own reasons, despite being half fremen himself.I'm not sure by what you mean by resolve the white savior issue. Paul is meant to be a prototypical white savior and it's supposed to make us uncomfortable. Do you mean they did not address it on screen enough or cast him in too heroic a light?
As you say, it’s not as much an issue in the book. It is an issue that was introduced in the first movie when they cast a white guy as Paul and then made all the Fremen people of color.Paul is meant to be a hero, a messiah, and Herbert’s point was that is dangerous to blindly follow leaders. Skin color has nothing to do with it given that, on one side, the few physical descriptions of the Atreides in the book point to them not being white, on the other, Liet is another messianic figure who’s manipulating the Fremen for his own reasons, despite being half fremen himself.
Focusing on (the perceived) skin color of Paul seems to me that is missing the deeper points about the dangers of uncritically following a leader/ideology/religion.
yes.Both parts 1 and 2 were amazing. Will there be a part 3?
Thats too bad, I rather liked the Sci-Fi channel adaption.Are any of you aware of the podcast Knowledge Fight? Last week they discussed the 3 Dune movies. Looks like they chose to avoid the Scifi channel mini series. It was mentioned though.
I found the SciFi Channel version to be far better than the 1984 Lynch movie.Thats too bad, I rather liked the Sci-Fi channel adaption.
You're not alone in this. I liked it too.I found the SciFi Channel version to be far better than the 1984 Lynch movie.
I think the reason they didn't talk about it was 1) Jordan didn't seem to like it as much. 2) They talked about the movies they could watch. The Scifi channel version may not have been available. Dan hadn't seen any of the movies so they can't get his thoughts on something he hasn't watched. Their podcast is about Alex Jones. He sees himself as Paul Atreides. I wish I were kidding. He talks about Dune on his show and likened himself to Paul. He will sometimes compare current politics to those in Dune also. It seems Alex likes to reference movies in his rants, especially scifi movies even if they're not really connected in any way.yes.
Thats too bad, I rather liked the Sci-Fi channel adaption.