Dungeon Master's Guide II

Henry said:
No one's looking silly, here.

For some of us, it's just harder to understand why someone would seriously (not hyperbole) quit a hobby if it's not going in a certain direction. Now, if one's group is no longer having fun, and they personally are not, I could certainly understand; but I'd more put up the books a while than drop it entirely - that's just me.
Me too. Hell, I play with a bunch of 1E old farts, and we basically just use the core 3. Outside of me, the last book those guys bought in the last 15 years was a spare 1E PHB off of ebay.

Nobody is making any gaming group change the way they play by introducing new books. If you get players in your game who want to adopt new material, and you don't, you simply have a mis-alignment of expectations.
 

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Henry said:
To me, if a product isn't released that I don't like, I don't intend to quit the hobby. It doesn't matter if not a single gaming company releases a single product that I don't like in a year's time - the only way I'll quit the hobby is death or extreme circumstances, because I know that the market is always changing, and as long as I have breath and a gaming group, I'll continue. Eventually new products will come along that excite me, and even if there are NO gamers around (let's say every single one of my gamer friends move away, and nothing's released for a year) I'll still comb message boards, still re-read my old stuff, create characters on rainy days, move on with the other business of life, and re-start myself as soon as opportunity knocks.

That's exactly my take on the subject. Even if someone produces a product that I absolutely abhor, it makes no difference to my gaming, since I simply do not use it. And if some people like it and it adds something to their game, more power to them.

Then again, maybe I'm the one who needs help. :) I'll be the one in the nursing home, cajoling the other geezers into a game...

Join the club. I'll be the one on the far side of the ward, mowing down people with my walker as I rush over to join the game :D
 

This book looks interesting to me. Finally soemthing that seems like it's not a collection of NEW FEATS! NEW SPELLS! NEW PRESTIGE CLASSES!!!

I might get it, but like all of my gaming buys I have to look through it and read a review first.

The naming convention does turn me off a bit, but that's probably just because there never was another DM's Guide 2... I think something like DM's Kit or DM's Toolbox or soemthing would have been better.

Just keep repeating to yourself: "It's just a book, it can't hurt me. It's just a book, it can't hurt me."

Musn't sleep rpg books will eat me...

Spoken like someone who has never been woken up by a book avalanche in the middle of the night.

I was woken up once in the middle of the night by a bible falling off of my shelf and onto my head...
 




diaglo said:
yes, there are other hobbies where people leave due to disenfranchisement.

they no longer feel like their hobby is going in the right direction.

I'm sure that there are, but I can't think of any right now.

As far as adding new books and new rules for 3.x, this complaint just never seems to go away. I'm not entirely sure why.

My wife likes to do needlepoint. She gets excited when she finds new colors of yarn. I never hear her complain, "There are too many colors of yarn! I'm going to quit needlepointing!"

We both like to cook. We are constantly on the search for new recipes. Does the world need new recipes? No. We can get by with what we have. We can all just eat the same thing every day for the rest of our lives (well, within reason...). But, when browsing through a book store, we're likely to go to the Cook Book section and look for something new. We certainly don't complain when we see that a chef we like has written a new cookbook.

I don't see too many Star Wars fans complaining that there are "too many action figures" (except from the standpoint that they can't afford them all, or maybe don't have room to store them). Same with comic book fans and comics (although Marvel did go a little crazy there in the 1990s with too many titles) and with music fans and music. People don't complain when their favorite bands have put out too many new albums (unless those albums suck, but there will still be fans who like the new stuff anyway and will buy it).

I think that the complaining about new material coming out for 3.x can be broken down into a few areas:

1) Money. Some people feel like anything WotC puts out is needed for their game, and they can't afford it all, so they get bitter and complain. Note that you don't need to buy all of these new books. Just use the Core three books to run your campaign. Or, heck, get it for free as the SRD. Just because you feel that you can't afford a new book doesn't mean the book is unwarranted.

2) "Usefulness". If you don't have an arctic area in your campaign world, then Frostburn is going to be pretty useless. Note, however, that this does not mean it is a useless book for everbody.

3) "Too Many Options! I'm overwhelmed!" Relax. Switch to decaf, and just use what you want. Or don't use any of it. No one's forcing you to read through and use all of this stuff. They're called options for a reason: they're optional.

That's all I can think of right now. I think most of the complaints really fall into area #2: most people have a tendency to evaluate books based on how useful it is for them personally and then make a judgment about its worth without considering how someone else might feel about it. For everyone who thinks that Maelstrom is going to be a complete waste, there are probably just as many people who run a "water-world" campaign who can't wait for this book to come out.
 

Hey, watch out. Logical, rational arguments aren't allowed here! ;)

Samothdm said:
I'm sure that there are, but I can't think of any right now.

As far as adding new books and new rules for 3.x, this complaint just never seems to go away. I'm not entirely sure why.

[snip]
 

We both like to cook. We are constantly on the search for new recipes. Does the world need new recipes? No. We can get by with what we have. We can all just eat the same thing every day for the rest of our lives (well, within reason...). But, when browsing through a book store, we're likely to go to the Cook Book section and look for something new. We certainly don't complain when we see that a chef we like has written a new cookbook

True but to use this example for me the proliferation of feats/PRCs feels like if my favorite chef just kept publishing books on new ways to make grilled cheese... Or in your wifes needlepoint example if she could only find new shades of the color red.

Sure you now have a neverending way to make a slightly off red grilled cheese samich, but enough already, I want a new food group!
 

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