Dwarven Weapon Training and Superior Weapons

[catsclaw227]

Dwarven weapon training gives proficiency and +2 damage for Axes and Hammers. Does this extend to Superior Weapons as well?

Can taking this feat substitute the Weapon Proficiency feat to get proficiency with a Craghammer, Waraxe, Execution Axe, Mordenkrad, Double Axe, etc from Adventurers Vault (page 9)?

 

[Caliban]

Yes.

Ask Wizards: 11/14/2008

Q: The Dwarven Weapon Training feat gives you proficiency with all axes and hammers, does this extend to superior weapons like the mordenkrad?
A: Yes, the lucky dwarf with this feat has access to a whole host of axes and hammers, even those that are superior.

 

[keterys]

Yeah... it's definitely on my list of things that I think is just flat out a poor decision about 4e, but it definitely works.

 

[catsclaw227]

My player will be very happy!!!

(I didn't think to check Ask Wizards.... doh!)

 

[Mengu]

Yeah... it's definitely on my list of things that I think is just flat out a poor decision about 4e, but it definitely works.

Agreed. And I'd be very curious to see this list.

 

[nittanytbone]

Yes, its legit.

I don't have a problem with dwarves having a strong incentive to use axes and hammers myself, so I have no beef.

 

[urzafrank]

Yeah... it's definitely on my list of things that I think is just flat out a poor decision about 4e, but it definitely works.

Agreed. And I'd be very curious to see this list.

why does anyone have an issue with a feat that makes Dwarves better with the traditional dwarven weapons? I mean come on it is a racial feat and so far they have all been much much better than general feats anyway

 

[keterys]

why does anyone have an issue with a feat that makes Dwarves better with the traditional dwarven weapons? I mean come on it is a racial feat and so far they have all been much much better than general feats anyway

It's flatly poor design, a shackle on exotic hammer and axe design. It's an imbalance between the core rules and the core rules plus AV. It's silly that dwarves shouldn't use warhammers and mauls and battleaxes, but should instead use "rare" and "variant" versions thereof.

I'm very much for dwarves using hammers and axes. It certainly seemed that they did before AV came out, without it applying to exotic weapons.

I'd much rather the feat was, say, +2 damage at heroic, +3 at paragon, +4 at epic, still better than weapon focus hammers and axes, put together, and dwarves could spend a feat for proficiency in an exotic weapon if they chose to. Or not.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

I'd much rather the feat was, say, +2 damage at heroic, +3 at paragon, +4 at epic, still better than weapon focus hammers and axes, put together, and dwarves could spend a feat for proficiency in an exotic weapon if they chose to. Or not.

I'd rather it was left as is, with the exception that it doesn't grant proficiency with Superior weapons. If the character has or gains proficiency in a Superior axe or hammer, however, the +2 damage applies to it as well.

 

[Slaved]

If a Change must be made why not make the Extra Damage scale by Weapon Class?

Dwarves could get a +3 Item Bonus to Damage with Simple Axes and Hammers, a +2 Item Bonus to Damage with Martial Axes and Hammers, and a +1 Item Bonus to Damage with Superior Axes and Hammers. That way Dwarves are still allowed to use any Axe or Hammer they want but there is a Tradeoff in Damage.

The amount of Tradeoff could be changed of course. This is just a Suggestion for those who think there is a Problem.