Early War of the Worlds reviews

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Storm Raven said:
Yes, but Scientology doesn't just oppose the use of medications to treat mental illnesses, it opposes any sort of treatment (including counseling and so on) other than their "auditing" procedure which is supposed to clear out all those nasty "engrons" that infest your body and make you sick and/or antisocial.

Well.....I guess I'm not fit to be a scientologist....maybe I'm a servant of Xenu, since I'm a firm believer in the use of counselling to teach people how to deal with problems :) I guess I'm all into mind control afterall, even though I don't support the drugs.

Bad me. Bad.

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Storm Raven said:
Scientologists seem to have a blind spot about Hubbard's crappy science fiction. One of the clumsier conspiracy theories attributed to them is an effort at "marketing" Hubbard by organizing purchases of reprints of his books, so they stay in print and make best seller lists.
They've actually got a long list of attempted, and failed, giant conspiracies, and their own grandiose names for them.

Operation Snow White. The one that got Mary Sue Hubbard (L. Ron's wife) and 10 other high-ranking Scientologists sent to Federal prison. They engaged in a huge conspiracy to break in to IRS, Interpol, US Coast Guard and FBI offices and steal all files on them that were critical or hostile to them, as well as engage in wiretapping to monitor the state of investigations against them. It was shut down in 1977 when the FBI caught on to what was happening, raided CoS offices and not only revealed that they had been engaging in this conspiracy, but another conspiracy as well. . .

Operation Freakout. This one was revealed in the 1977 in papers that were siezed after FBI raids on Scientology facilities in the aftermath of "Snow White". It was a plan, already in progress, to frame critics of Scientology for crimes, and Paulette Cooper (the primary target) was cleared of charges of making bomb and death threats by mail when the evidence turned up that she was framed because she wrote anti-Scientology books.

Project Bulgravia. This one got Scientology banned in Greece in 1999. Greek police raids found that they had been engaging in a huge, almost comic-book-supervillain, plan throughout the 1990's to try and carve out their own "homeland" from parts of Bulgaria, Greece, Albania and former Yugoslavia in the aftermath of the collapse of the Iron Curtain, and had engaged in illegal wiretaps and surveilance against the Greek government as part of it. The plan failed when all the details were published and it was made clear to all the governments involved.

There is no fancy name for it, but they were also thrown out of Morocco in 1972 after it was uncovered that they had been backing an attempted coup of the government.

They have a very long history of huge, elaborate conspiracies to accomplish their goals. Fortunately, their giant conspiracies tend to end in dismal failure.

As for smaller things, like buying loads of copies of L. Ron's books to inflate sales. That's a little more practical. They have very large financial resources, and members who are willing to devote all their time and money to them, so buying bulk copies of their own books to make their founder look better is a lot more plausible than some of the conspiracies the have actually been convicted of.
 

wingsandsword said:
As for smaller things, like buying loads of copies of L. Ron's books to inflate sales. That's a little more practical. They have very large financial resources, and members who are willing to devote all their time and money to them, so buying bulk copies of their own books to make their founder look better is a lot more plausible than some of the conspiracies the have actually been convicted of.

I have a friend who works in a bookstore (one of the big chains) in CA. When Battlefield: Earth came out, they had to set up a display for the novel (complete with an inflatable John Travolta). Scientologists came in and tried to instruct the workers on how to set up the display, where to put it, etc.. Of course, the employees just ignored them and set it up where their boss told them. The Scientologists didn't think it was in a prominent enough place and came it several times to complain (my friend was bothered about it twice and several other employees complained about them).

Anyway, he told me that nearly all the copies they had were sold to people who bought them a dozen or more at a time. Since most people don't buy 12 copies of the same book, they were most likely Scientologists.

There are also reports of theaters being sold out, but only having a few people actually in them. I remember seeing someone on a movie review site claim that they worked at a theater and they had a "sold out" show with only 7 or 12 (or something like that) people there.
 
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wingsandsword said:
They've actually got a long list of attempted, and failed, giant conspiracies, and their own grandiose names for them.
Man, some of those seem like fodder for an L. Ron Hubbard book. Not knowing there was even something called Scientology, when the 10 volume Mission Earth I grabbed them because of the novelty of a 10 volume "book".

They were modestly entertaining. Having read it, and then discovering he founded Scientology, and then read up on Scientology... so many things in of Mission Earth just leapt out at me. I almost wondered if Mission Earth was a devilishly subtle attempt to discredit Scientology.

But I never knew about those "conspiracies" they themselves were involved in, and I repeat, they seem right out of some parts of Mission Earth. Heh...
 

frankthedm said:
There is a major diffrence between those and the efforts of the drug pushers who want children with strong life energy on ritalin so they will fit in. Those blasted ****s tried to dope my grandmother up on so much haloperidol she could only lay in the bed and soil herself.

Anectodal stories of bad medical pratice though is not a great defense of the pros and cons of medication. ALL drugs can be used inappropriately as can vitamins (heck too much water can kill you), but that should not stop the use of appropriate drugs.

Psychotropics including all classes of antidepressants have been shown to be very effective and very beneficial in many clinical cases (frankly the clinical studies shows this time and again, though about 1/3 of studies dont seperate well from placebo) but like all medication are not appropriate for all situations and will not work effectively for all individuals.

But I personally have great doubts Cruise read the "research" on psychiatry, I imagine he couldnt name either the pivotal studies, investigators or even journals in psychopharmacology. I found what he said to be ridiculous, the only thing more ridiculous would be people listening to him for any type of medical advice

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I'm surprised this thread wasn't locked. While I'm certainly no fan of Scientology and it's beliefs, I'm pretty sure some of you would not like to have similar things said about your religions (and I gotta say, I know people who believe many of the same things about the major religions). Yep, it sure seems to be a cult, but still...
 

Zaukrie said:
I'm surprised this thread wasn't locked. While I'm certainly no fan of Scientology and it's beliefs, I'm pretty sure some of you would not like to have similar things said about your religions (and I gotta say, I know people who believe many of the same things about the major religions). Yep, it sure seems to be a cult, but still...

Scientology is ONLY a religion for tax purposes (Ie. they didn't want to have to pay taxes) and it's pretty easy to document this with a simple google search. It is a very nasty organization and peddles such obvious BS, I mean come on! "Evil Galactic Overlord Xenu"? Just calling your cult a religion doesn't make it so.

Check this out on Scientology's Tax History

http://www.factnet.org/headlines/give-away.htm?FACTNet

Calling a Neo-Nazi a Nazi, doesn't mean you are insulting people from Germany.
 

apoptosis said:
But I personally have great doubts Cruise read the "research" on psychiatry, I imagine he couldnt name either the pivotal studies, investigators or even journals in psychopharmacology. I found what he said to be ridiculous, the only thing more ridiculous would be people listening to him for any type of medical advice
Note also he mentioned in his debate with Matt Lauer that he knows the "history of psychiatry". Now, some of the things done in the name of psychiatry over the years are not things to be proud of, to be sure. One speculation is that Hubbard invented Scientology as a reaction to the wide-spread practice of electroshock therapy which occured in the fifties. However, dismissing all of psychiatry on this basis is like dismissing all of modern astronomy because once in its history people thought the earth was the cente of the universe. Scientology's criticism and understanding of modern mental health practices is most likely very dated.

Unless Tom's reference to the history of psychiatry is to events from 40 million years ago.

And there's no such thing as a chemical imbalance? Then how do people get drunk?

Zaukrie said:
I'm surprised this thread wasn't locked. While I'm certainly no fan of Scientology and it's beliefs, I'm pretty sure some of you would not like to have similar things said about your religions (and I gotta say, I know people who believe many of the same things about the major religions). Yep, it sure seems to be a cult, but still...
Scientology is not promoted as a religion in many other countries in which it operates, but is merely a "consulting group". It is widely believed that Scientology established itself in the US as a "religion" mainly for tax purposes.
 

Quick question: I'm a little bored this evening, what would you advise - Go see Batman Begins a second time or see War of the Worlds?

Right now I'm tending towards the first, especially as I haven't read the original book of WotW ...
 

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