Early War of the Worlds reviews

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Particle_Man said:
So some people like the movie and some don't. Some think that paying to see the movie would support and provide some legitimacy to Tom Cruise's wacky views. The solution: Illegal Free Downloads, of course! :)

Hollywood is very focused on the weekend (esp opening ) grosses. If you don't want to "support" Cruise, then simply avoiding the opening weekend or catching it a few weeks after the opening should be sufficient.

Particle_Man said:
More seriously (note the smiley, note the smiley!), I think the idea behind drugs is that they take away the symptoms, but this allows one to *then* take counselling to get at the root causes. Because otherwise, the counselling might not be possible or effective, because the symptoms are so very severe. But I could be wrong on this.

It depends on the nature of the problem. Long term depression isn't likely to be affected by counselling, since it stems from a physical basis. Of course it is still an unresolved question of how much is biology vs mind.

Particle_Man said:
I remember there was a Cult Awareness Network started up to make people aware of the dangers of cults. But now that very network has been taken over by Scientologists, so that now they make people aware of the dangers of *other* cults, but not, of course, the dangers of Scientology. Found that out when I phoned the CAN one day.

Well Scientology really isn't a cult, it's just bad SF with a bunch of really overenthusiastic LARPers. :D

Yeah, I heard about this a number of years back. It is disturbing. So what were you calling CAN about?
 

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A young and stupid friend with a manipulative boyfriend involved in a very fringe political group (I won't go into details as I don't want to offend). I was trying to see if a fanatical political group counted as a cult. The Scientology part came up when I said "I was wondering if this counted as a cult like the Moonies or Scientologists". And then I found out about Scientologists at the CAN, and then did a bit of research. Quite the surprise.

And speaking personally, I consider Scientology to be a cult. Costs money to join, nasty tactics against those who leave or speak vs. it, recruits "high profile" members (like Cruise, the voice of Bart Simpson, etc.) to get more "rank and file" members, eventually requires the equivalent of slave labour in devotion (if you don't have money and you want to advance, you do work for them), uses their own psychological methods (whatever they wanna call them, that is what they effectively are) to alter people's personalities to be more compliant followers of the Scientology group (and thus give up more money to advance to the next level)...I don't see what they lack that a cult has, so I call it a cult. But that is strictly IMHO.

I wonder if they got worried about "Xena: Warrior Princess" (Oh no! Xenu has returned as a woman!") :)
 

Particle_Man said:
I would be curious on the Tom Cruise view on things like Sugar, Caffeine, etc. Very common ways to affect the mental self.

Particle, particle, particle, particle, particle, particle.

Man, man, man, man, man.

Particle Man...

I've done a lot of interviews over the years, Particle Man, so that's how I know that everything I say is very, very important. I've gotten over 154,000 responses from people thanking me. You should see some of the letters I get. You should try writing one. To me. People go for help but their lives don't get better because of these drugs, these stimulants and sweeteners that you yourself call "harmless," Particle Man. They get worse. They feel numb and they're told that's a good thing. It's becoming like Huxley's Brave New World. It's like what the English did to China with opium. How is this different? It's how you degrade a society—by sweetening and stimulating the piss out of it. No pun intended. You know, with the coffee and all.

But hey, don't you want to know about the ring I got for Katie? This is a War of the Worlds virtual discussion lounge, right?
 

I find the idea that Scientologists go out and buy scads of Hubbard's books to keep him on the best sellers lists to be a rather amusing one. If you were the book publisher, wouldn't you be going "Kaching!"? With all those guaranteed sales, I'd be reprinting Hubbard's books till Doomsday....
 


Hey all! :)

Saw the movie on Friday. Very, very disappointing.

Eberts review was pretty spot on.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

Frankly, I find myself increasingly disagreeing with anything Harry Knowles says, but I suppose hes entitled to his opinion as much as the next man.

The 1953 movie was far superior in many ways, certainly in terms of logic, scope, action, even special effects.

Probably the worst movie I can remember from Tom Cruise (maybe thats why hes publicising it so much) and I have almost given up hope for Spielberg...one last chance for Indy IV Steven.
 

Zaukrie said:
I'm surprised this thread wasn't locked. While I'm certainly no fan of Scientology and it's beliefs, I'm pretty sure some of you would not like to have similar things said about your religions (and I gotta say, I know people who believe many of the same things about the major religions). Yep, it sure seems to be a cult, but still...

From Rotten.com's awesome page on Scientology, with passages bolded by me for emphasis:

By far their favorite tactic is to tar critics with the "religious bigot" brush. That is, anybody with the audacity to call Scientology a "cult" or mock its preposterous ideology is automatically accused of denying the church its First Amendment rights. In doing so, Scientologists appear to operate under an expectation that all religions are to be afforded an equal degree of respect by the general public. This is made evident in their favorite debate tactic: label your opponent the equivalent of a Jew-hater. That is, challenge their opponent to justify his position if it were about Judaism instead of Scientology. This Jedi mind trick is remarkably effective -- partly because a sane person avoids even the specter of anti-semitism, but also because most people have only a vague notion of the parameters of religious freedom.

Their implicit argument is that treating Scientology any different from more established faiths (eg. Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam) in and of itself somehow constitutes unfair discrimination. This is total bull:):):):). Just because the government has to observe strict impartiality toward a citizen's cherished mythology doesn't mean the rest of the general public does too. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say anything about it being illegal to ridicule or deride someone's lameass religious beliefs.

In America, it is your undeniable prerogative to practice religious freedom -- meaning, you can join any spiritual faith you like, no matter how ludicrous its theology or venal its leadership. For that matter, you are free to declare yourself an atheist, or even start a new religion. This fundamental right was enshrined in the Bill of Rights because the Founders knew all too well the gruesome history of religious persecution in the colonies (not to mention mother England).

Members of the Church of Scientology apparently fail to grasp that those other religious groups have developed their reputations as more-or-less benign organizations over centuries of good works. On the other hand, Scientology has instead demonstrated itself to be a paranoid institution obsessed with quashing dissent and establishing world hegemony.

To repeat: the Church of Scientology is certainly entitled to proselytize and share their nutball theology with everyone. For that matter, anybody who feels like surrendering themselves to the cult are free to do so. But no American -- not one -- is obliged to show them the tiniest modicum of respect, except insofar as the law requires (fair housing, equal employment, etc). And if they don't like their image, maybe they should stop acting like such thin-skinned, vicious :):):)holes all the time.
 

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