Early War of the Worlds reviews

[Banshee16]

I'm assuming that your skepticisim of psychiatry is based off of something more robust than, spirits that were imprisoned in a volcano 40 million years ago being the reason why people tend to be screwed up. It's not his skepticisim that's in question it's his reasons for being skeptical that are.

It's one thing to believe that it's never really going to be practical for humanity to go to the stars. It's another to believe that because you think we'd crash into crystal spheres if we tried.

So, does Scientology believe in Spelljammer, then?

Banshee

 

[Banshee16]

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying he doesn't appear to be a "well-informed lay person", since his beliefs are based upon a clearly unsound foundation. Now, being skeptical of science is not wrong, skepticism, along with curiosity, is what fuels the advance of science. But several of Cruise's statements are pretty much clearly wrong (such as "there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance"), which knock his arguments pretty much down to nothing of consequence.

I'm thinking this may be a risky statement on these boards. It's very easy to ask the next question, which is why the foundation for Tom's beliefs are so unsound, when other religions that are better established have beliefs with unsound foundations.....

I won't go any further than that

Banshee

 

[bolen]

I agree that psychiatry has a lot that they don’t understand. But Medicine does help thousands deal with depression. It is inexcusable to tell people not to take their medicine.

I really hope that this does not encourage people to not seek help when they need it.

Also I have very real doubts on the motive of a "religion" which charges money to access its core beliefs. (LOTS OF MONEY if you did not know)

 

[wingsandsword]

So, does Scientology believe in Spelljammer, then?

Spelljammer made more sense.

Scientology believes that 65 million years ago, the evil galactic overlord Xenu dealt with the overpopulation problem of the Galactic Confederation by calling in countless billions of people for psychiatric examinations and tax audits, and having a conspiracy of evil psychiatrists sedate everyone who showed up (why they hate psychiatrists, they believe this evil conspiracy continues to this day), then packed them onto huge fleets of spaceplanes (that look just like DC-3's with rocket engines), and flew them to the planet Teegeeack (which we now know as Earth), then stacked them up around volcanos and killed them by dropping nuclear bombs into those volcanos to set them off (know all those old "dianetics" ads with volcanos exploding, it's a reference to this). However, Xenu didn't want people to reincarnate in the rest of his galaxy, so he set up a huge network of forcefields and holographic projectors to capture the fleeing "thetans" (i.e. souls) and show them holographic images of lies to believe in like other religions, and to give them a subliminal command that if they ever found out the truth about what happened to them they would die of a wasting disease. Then the "thetans" all were stranded on Earth, confused and kept reincarnating there, and all mental illness is due to confused past life memories and evil propaganda implanted by Xenu, and that after their powerful "auditing" techniques to remove these confused memories, you lose all mental illnesses, fears, and problems and gain superhuman powers and become a supergenius (note that Tom Cruise credits Scientology with curing his dyslexia). They claim that anybody who hears the whole story of Xenu will die because of the "R6 Implant" that Xenu initated 65 million years ago, and only Scientology has the whole information to safely teach somebody the whole truth.

You don't get that information until you normally reach a very high level in their organization called "Operating Thetan III", which normally takes years and hundreds of thousands of dollars or signing an enlistment contract for 1 billion years (no joke) with their paramilitary arm, the Sea Organization and working for them for the rest of your life. Look up the words "fishman affadavit" online for all the info.

Personally, I've seen psychiatric medication and treatment do worlds of good for people who seriously needed it, and I had a good friend who had to deal with the CoS (her husband became a scientologist, and saw what it did to him). Antidepressants and anti-ADD medications are probably overprecribed because some psychiatrists see it as easier to medicate a problem than deal with the root cause, but the drugs and treatments themselves have a lot of inherent value, even if a few practitioners take the "quick and easy path" of just prescribing some medication when counseling and therapy might be more effective.

 

[bolen]

Scientology believes that 65 million years ago, the evil galactic overlord Xenu dealt with the overpopulation problem of the Galactic Confederation by calling in countless billions of people for psychiatric examinations and tax audits, and having a conspiracy of evil psychiatrists sedate everyone who showed up (why they hate psychiatrists, they believe this evil conspiracy continues to this day), then packed them onto huge fleets of spaceplanes (that look just like DC-3's with rocket engines), and flew them to the planet Teegeeack (which we now know as Earth), then stacked them up around volcanos and killed them by dropping nuclear bombs into those volcanos to set them off (know all those old "dianetics" ads with volcanos exploding, it's a reference to this). However, Xenu didn't want people to reincarnate in the rest of his galaxy, so he set up a huge network of forcefields and holographic projectors to capture the fleeing "thetans" (i.e. souls) and show them holographic images of lies to believe in like other religions, and to give them a subliminal command that if they ever found out the truth about what happened to them they would die of a wasting disease. Then the "thetans" all were stranded on Earth, confused and kept reincarnating there, and all mental illness is due to confused past life memories and evil propaganda implanted by Xenu, and that after their powerful "auditing" techniques to remove these confused memories, you lose all mental illnesses, fears, and problems and gain superhuman powers and become a supergenius (note that Tom Cruise credits Scientology with curing his dyslexia). They claim that anybody who hears the whole story of Xenu will die because of the "R6 Implant" that Xenu initated 65 million years ago, and only Scientology has the whole information to safely teach somebody the whole truth.

You don't get that information until you normally reach a very high level in their organization called "Operating Thetan III", which normally takes years and hundreds of thousands of dollars or signing an enlistment contract for 1 billion years (no joke) with their paramilitary arm, the Sea Organization and working for them for the rest of your life. Look up the words "fishman affadavit" online for all the info.

I just looked it up that is amazing. I would not buy a game based on this premise.

 

[Welverin]

I don't get it. To me Tom sounds like a well informed lay-person. I wouldn't advice anyone to take drugs. What's the problem?

The problem is he comes across as the opposite of well informed, and rather fanatical in his beliefs, which all to often seem to go hand in hand. The worst part is he says drugs shouldn’t be used for treating mental problems, but at the same time says psychiatry in general is bad, thus saying people with mental health problems shouldn’t be treated at all.

I agree..

What's the problem? Western society is increasingly over-medicated. I'm no graduate student, but my Honours and undergraduate were in psychology. Medication *does* mask the symptoms....it doesn't get rid of the problem in many cases.

In some instances, like schizophrenia, or acute depression, medication can give breathing room so the person doesn't hurt themselves or others. But it's not a cure.

The problem with Tom's rant is he's completely opposed to the use of drugs to treat mental problems. Everytime Matt tried to mention that they can and have help some people he dismissed it.

Just because drugs are over used does not mean that their use should be terminated.

 

[Dark Jezter]

Scientologist? I thought Tom Cruise was a Sith Lord; he did recently out himself on national television, after all.

 

[Banshee16]

Spelljammer made more sense.

Scientology believes that 65 million years ago, the evil galactic overlord Xenu dealt with the overpopulation problem of the Galactic Confederation by calling in countless billions of people for psychiatric examinations and tax audits, and having a conspiracy of evil psychiatrists sedate everyone who showed up (why they hate psychiatrists, they believe this evil conspiracy continues to this day), then packed them onto huge fleets of spaceplanes (that look just like DC-3's with rocket engines), and flew them to the planet Teegeeack (which we now know as Earth), then stacked them up around volcanos and killed them by dropping nuclear bombs into those volcanos to set them off (know all those old "dianetics" ads with volcanos exploding, it's a reference to this). However, Xenu didn't want people to reincarnate in the rest of his galaxy, so he set up a huge network of forcefields and holographic projectors to capture the fleeing "thetans" (i.e. souls) and show them holographic images of lies to believe in like other religions, and to give them a subliminal command that if they ever found out the truth about what happened to them they would die of a wasting disease. Then the "thetans" all were stranded on Earth, confused and kept reincarnating there, and all mental illness is due to confused past life memories and evil propaganda implanted by Xenu, and that after their powerful "auditing" techniques to remove these confused memories, you lose all mental illnesses, fears, and problems and gain superhuman powers and become a supergenius (note that Tom Cruise credits Scientology with curing his dyslexia). They claim that anybody who hears the whole story of Xenu will die because of the "R6 Implant" that Xenu initated 65 million years ago, and only Scientology has the whole information to safely teach somebody the whole truth.

You don't get that information until you normally reach a very high level in their organization called "Operating Thetan III", which normally takes years and hundreds of thousands of dollars or signing an enlistment contract for 1 billion years (no joke) with their paramilitary arm, the Sea Organization and working for them for the rest of your life. Look up the words "fishman affadavit" online for all the info.

Personally, I've seen psychiatric medication and treatment do worlds of good for people who seriously needed it, and I had a good friend who had to deal with the CoS (her husband became a scientologist, and saw what it did to him). Antidepressants and anti-ADD medications are probably overprecribed because some psychiatrists see it as easier to medicate a problem than deal with the root cause, but the drugs and treatments themselves have a lot of inherent value, even if a few practitioners take the "quick and easy path" of just prescribing some medication when counseling and therapy might be more effective.

Are you joking about this, or is that really their belief?

I must not judge...

Wow. Well, it's definitely different.....

Banshee

 

[Banshee16]

I agree that psychiatry has a lot that they don’t understand. But Medicine does help thousands deal with depression. It is inexcusable to tell people not to take their medicine.

I really hope that this does not encourage people to not seek help when they need it.

Also I have very real doubts on the motive of a "religion" which charges money to access its core beliefs. (LOTS OF MONEY if you did not know)

I think there's a difference between telling people that maybe they don't need meeds and telling them not to get help. Psychiatry and Psychology are two different fields. Psychologists don't generally prescribe meds, though they *can* in some provinces.

Generally, psychology believes in counselling, dealing with root causes, and teaching people to manage their issues, whereas psychiatry is quick to pick a drug which will make the person feel better, but IMO, doesn't really deal with the reason why they were experiencing problems in the first place..

Banshee

 

[Wycen]

Are you joking about this, or is that really their belief?

I must not judge...

Wow. Well, it's definitely different.....

Banshee

You are connected to the internet, you can do the research yourself.