D&D 5E Eberron versus Multiverse

[Fenris-77]

This is the weirdest poster-related D&D hobby horse I've ever encountered. Eberron is ruined because the FR and it both exist in the lore? Really?! Because of factually existing polytheistic gods?!? Great googly moogly.

Neither the settings nor their inhabitants have an existence outside of the way a DM and set of players decide to use them in a particular game. Don't use the bits you don't like, that's how 5e works.

 

[Umbran]

The 5e Eberron setting includes factually-existing polytheistic planes.

5e destroyed Eberron.

Your ideals of Eberron are... too fragile. If Eberron is completely destroyed for you by the distant existence of entities that do not actually impinge upon the world in question, that's on you, not on them.

The "official" version is not really important anyway. If and when you play it... it can just be its own thing, without any connection to the rest of the canon. Your table trumps official, every time.

 

[gyor]

Yaarel that you actually liked my post jokingly teasing you for basically suggesting 5e Designers are Neopagan Missionaries worries me. I mean yes Jeremy Crawford has a degree in Theology, but that is not important here.

 

[Salthorae]

Forgotten Realms is the Star Trek Borg that assimilates all D&D settings.

no it doesn’t

This speculation means that the sages of Eberron are aware of the planes of the Forgotten Realms.

no they aren’t.

You do realize the planes the moons refer to are still the 13 ones from the Orrery cosmology right?

Also, Eberron potentially being part of the multiverse doesn't change the fact that the Soverign Host or the Dark Six are not physically present somewhere.

In fact the book goes to great lengths to explain that Eberron is sealed offer from the rest of the multiverse, unless you as DM choose otherwise.

Right

Literally nothing has changed about Eberron here.

 

[gyor]

no it doesn’t


no they aren’t.


Right

Literally nothing has changed about Eberron here.

Face it Saltorae, you cultural and technological uniqueness will be assimilated into the Forgotten Realms and added to it's perfection. Resistance is futile, you will assimulated.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The Eberron setting is f***ed up by factually existing polytheistic gods that inhabit its planes.

5e destroyed Eberron.

No.

 

[Yaarel]

Yaarel that you actually liked my post jokingly teasing you for basically suggesting 5e Designers are Neopagan Missionaries worries me. I mean yes Jeremy Crawford has a degree in Theology, but that is not important here.

The polytheistic extremism of the 5e designers is even more extremist than the reallife Neopagan missionaries who I know.

 

[Cap'n Kobold]

According to Eberron lore, Eberron is the only planet that orbits its sun.

The moons that orbit Eberron are matter and exist in the material plane. Nevertheless, these physical objects exert planar influences on the planet of Eberron. But the exact relationship between the moons and these planes remains uncertain.

This planet has thirteen moons. Each moon emanates a planar influence. Sages speculate that the moons connect to the planes of the multiverse, or that the moons actually are "extensions" of these planes of the multiverse. This speculation means that the sages of Eberron are aware of the planes of the Forgotten Realms.

This Realmsification of Eberron sucks.

You do understand that when the book talks about the multiverse here, it specifically means Eberron's cosmology?
As in the 13 moons linked to Eberron's 13 planes? Not to anything outside that.

The Eberron setting is f***ed up by factually existing polytheistic gods that inhabit its planes.

5e destroyed Eberron.

This is incorrect.
The planes of Eberron are sealed off from the gods of the other settings in the same way that Eberron itself is. There are no gods inhabiting its planes. (Unless your DM specifically decides to place some there.)

What Eberron Rising says is:

The planes factually exist. The sages of Eberron are aware of these planes.

The precise relationship between the planes (that are beyond the material plane) and the moons (that are inside the material plane) remain uncertain.

The 5e Eberron setting includes factually-existing polytheistic planes.

5e destroyed Eberron.

The sages of Eberron are aware of Eberron's planes. Most are not aware that there are planes outside of Eberron's cosmology.
There are no factually existing polytheistic (as I believe you are using the word anyway) planes in Eberron's cosmology.

Outside of Eberron's cosmology, sure, but since they are locked out and unable to influence in any way, the truth of their existence is irrelevant.

The 5e designers can not not push Forgotten Realms polytheism into every aspect of D&D.

Even into Eberron.

That's as ridiculous as pointing out that Eberron destroyed FR because the existence of people able to tap into divine power without needing a polytheistic god to be an intermediary shows that the FR gods are unnecessary. Thus the inhabitants of Eberron are more correct and enlightened about some of the core truths of the multiverse than those of the FR.

 

[Salthorae]

I feel like this thread is just doing a social experiment on trolling.

 

[Beleriphon]

Because of the polytheistic extremism of the 5e designers, the bizarre result is:

The gods of Forgotten Realms who inhabit the planes of Eberron, factually exist. Meanwhile, the religious traditions of Planet Eberron are only "stories".

But they some how provide actual power to clerics? The only "story" is the Sovereign Host and the Dark Six. The Silver Flame is still a thing, so are the Undying Court, Blood of Vol, and the rest.

Nothing changes about the Nine and the Six at all regardless of what FR does or doesn't do. It also doesn't change the planes. The Astral Plane, Daanvi, Dal Quor, the Region of Dreams, Dolurrh, the Ethereal Plane, Fernia, Irian, Kythri, Lamannia, Mabar, Risia, Shavarath, Syrania, Thelanis, and Xoriat are still the only Planes that interact with Eberron.

The only means to maybe, maybe, get to Eberron is via the Astral. The general impression is that if a character travels into the Deep Astral, and maybe beyond that, they can find a path Eberron. Maybe, if the DM wants to do that.

The inhabitants of Eberron are simply ignorant of the Forgotten Realms gods that factually exist.

Officially.

5e destroyed Eberron.

Right. And the FR gods are ignorant of Eberron.

Officially.