Empowering an empowered spell, can you?

[Crothian]

Yep, I guess it was done to stop a 9th level bull's strength from giving you +13 to strength all day, though that seems okay for a ninth level spell, imo. And then they fixed the buffs so you can't empower them anyway, so what was the point? .

They also fixed the duration so you can't have them all day anyway.

 

[Nifft]

Although 3.5 says you can't, I still allow it...otherwise, what is the poor epic fellow to do with those 18th-level spell slots and his Improved Metamagic that only makes them harder to fill?

Persistant Spell (+8)
Unconditional Spell (+9)
Heighten Spell (+any )

-- N

 

[Thanee]

Persistant Spell (+8)
Unconditional Spell (+9)
Heighten Spell (+any)

Actually Heighten Spell is capped at 9th level.

But I think there is an epic version of it...

Bye
Thanee

 

[Nyeshet]

Unconditional Spell (+9)

I haven't heard of that one. Which book is it in?

 

[Nifft]

I haven't heard of that one. Which book is it in?

It's a projection from the Meta-Psionics Feat "Unconditional Power" -- basically, you for a ton of power points and your Focus, you manifest a power despite being stunned, nauseated, brain lock'd, etc.

Maybe it's only +5 levels, but it's still a lot, and could serve a Sorcerer very well.

-- N

 

[Rystil Arden]

Persistant Spell (+8)
Unconditional Spell (+9)
Heighten Spell (+any )

-- N

Persistent is +6, and Unconditional, if allowed, would be +5. Then remember that Improved Metamagic knocks those down by 1. Also, I don't think I can see much reason for someone to need to stick those two on the same spell very often, if ever (after all, with the 24-hour duration, you probably aren't going to have to cast it while stunned).

But for an attack spell, for instance, you could quicken-twin-empower-maximise it for +9. I guess you might have more metamagic feats than that, but some day you will run out of things to add on. Much easier, in my opinion, to allow multiple twins or empowers and just houserule edge cases (like Awaken) away. Then again, many people don't play into epic. Whatever works for you though.

 

[kanithardm]

No, no, no.

Crothian has the godly post-count. Hyper-smurf is the infallible one.

You forgot Thanee, shes both.

 

[ARandomGod]

Answer number one (RAW): No, you cannot.

Answer number two (Common sense): Sure, of course you can. Metamagic feats are expecially helpful as benchmarks in determining what spell level a custom spell should be. You can also "unempower" a spell for this benchmark effect, to get a general idea of what overall power level a proposed spell should be.

 

[ZuulMoG]

Although 3.5 says you can't, I still allow it...otherwise, what is the poor epic fellow to do with those 18th-level spell slots and his Improved Metamagic that only makes them harder to fill?

Heighten them and make the Save DC impossible?

 

[Rystil Arden]

Heighten them and make the Save DC impossible?

No, not really. Take a look at the epic level rules for advancing saves (i.e. +1 to all saves for all classes every two levels) and you'll see why Heightening the spells is an exercise in futility. You need spells that don't give a save at all. Plus remember that Heighten only goes up to 9th level.