Enterprise 01-08-03

[Mark]

That and the continuing story arc that revolves around the Federation-Cardassian Treaty which resulted in the establishment of the Maquis.

A story arc that was used to launch Voyager, one should say...

I have some further thoughts on the various character story arcs, such as Worf's, but I'll leave those until tomorrow when I can surf a bit to get the chronology and spellings correct.

This is fast becoming the best Enterprise thread we've had in this forum yet, and it is touching on a lot of great ideas on the how and why of various ST story creation methods. Odd we should wait until we reach a three week dry spell in Enterprise episodes to hit our stride in tangental civilized ST debate, but at the same time quite fortunate and refreshing.

 

[Orius]

Yeah, it isn't bad except for it taking the focus off of the whole "first long term exploration mission into regular space" thing. Maybe they could just cool it for a while and pick it back up toward the end of the series...?

There's also the possibility that the TCW somehow ends up triggering the Romulan Wars whether directly or indirectly.

 

[Orius]

On Trek series themes/arcs/stories:

[snip]

As for Voyager, I didn't watch enough of it to really see an overall arc besides the Borg being involved a lot. Feh. I'll just have to take a pass on this one I guess...

Yoyager's basic story arc was their journey back to the Alpha Quadrant. There were some recurring storylines. There was the boring Kazon storyline of season 2. I'm not really familiar with it because I always saw the Kazon as a bunch of losers, hell even the Borg rejected them as drone material, how much of a threat could they really be? Not to mention Janeway's utter stupidity when dealing with them.

There were a number of Borg storylines, but I get the impression they were trotted out to pump up ratings during the sweeps.

Then there was the Hirogen which showed up during a good portion of the fourth season. I always thought they were fairly good adversaries.

 

[Ranger REG]

A story arc that was used to launch Voyager, one should say...

I have some further thoughts on the various character story arcs, such as Worf's, but I'll leave those until tomorrow when I can surf a bit to get the chronology and spellings correct.

This is fast becoming the best Enterprise thread we've had in this forum yet, and it is touching on a lot of great ideas on the how and why of various ST story creation methods.

That's because we are deviating from the ENTERPRISE topic to a more general Star Trek discussion.

Trust me, the more I talk about ENTERPRISE, the more I'll raise more noise about Braga being a bad influence to the franchise.

 

[Mark]

Yoyager's basic story arc was their journey back to the Alpha Quadrant. There were some recurring storylines. There was the boring Kazon storyline of season 2. I'm not really familiar with it because I always saw the Kazon as a bunch of losers, hell even the Borg rejected them as drone material, how much of a threat could they really be? Not to mention Janeway's utter stupidity when dealing with them.

They were more of a mosquito villain. Constantly buzzing around and annoying Voyager. It may be they were introduced just to give Seska some muscle-headed thugs to do her bidding.

There were a number of Borg storylines, but I get the impression they were trotted out to pump up ratings during the sweeps.

I kinda got the same impression at the time. Could be they were also there to keep the Borg active as they prepared for their appearances in TNG movies. Of course, they also allowed for the introduction of Kes's replacement.

Then there was the Hirogen which showed up during a good portion of the fourth season. I always thought they were fairly good adversaries.

These were perhaps one of the more inventive concepts for a villain in Voyager, or perhaps any of the series. I don't recall anything quite like them in ST history, or anywhere. Perhaps someone might call me on that...

That's because we are deviating from the ENTERPRISE topic to a more general Star Trek discussion.

True. Yet I recall plenty of threads that deviated from Enterprise just to slam Voyager.

Trust me, the more I talk about ENTERPRISE, the more I'll raise more noise about Braga being a bad influence to the franchise.

You really should set up a "Braga suxxors" hot key on your keyboard. I never mind hearing opinions, good or bad, so long as they have a constructive bent to them. Repeating anything without detailing it, or perhaps suggesting some alternatives just becomes a tired mantra to my ears. I hadn't noticed you going that route, too much, really. I usually enjoy reading what you write, especially since you seem to have a pretty extensive knowledge of ST and a lot of in depth commentary.

 

[mojo1701]

I started a thread like this at holonet. swrpgnetwork.com a while ago, but unfortunately, now it's closed. It was called Nemesis?, and it was originally about the movie, but it got into this big discussion generally about Star Trek, and then got to the point where all we were doing was calling Brannon Braga an idiot, and as long as he was staying as a producer, it was going downhill...

My point is this: when you start a thread about any aspect of Star Trek, be prepared to get responses that veer to the rest of the franchise. It's expected.

 

[Brown Jenkin]

If you want a thurough analasys as to why Braga is dragging the franchise down read these reviews of the episodes www.subspacebbs.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=436
While being extremely funny at times, it successfuly finds and points out with great detail the failings of Entetprise and Braga from a fans perspective.

 

[Mark]

If you want a thurough analasys as to why Braga is dragging the franchise down read these reviews of the episodes www.subspacebbs.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=436
While being extremely funny at times, it successfuly finds and points out with great detail the failings of Entetprise and Braga from a fans perspective.

Well, that's kinda like adding fuel to a fire that I think I just made clear I didn't want started. If this thread degenerates into a Braga Bashing fest, I'm not going to be pleased.

 

[John Crichton]

Well, that's kinda like adding fuel to a fire that I think I just made clear I didn't want started. If this thread degenerates into a Braga Bashing fest, I'm not going to be pleased.

Seconded. Let's let the Braga bashing go. It's not constructive to the coversation at hand.

And to veer this back OT (sorta), I totally forgot about the background arc of Voyager: Getting home. heheh I stand corrected. The thing is that I other shows did it SO much better than Voyager. The whole, trapped far from home thing. The most recent example is Farscape. Maybe it would have been different if I felt a sense of panic from the crew about not getting home from time to time (keep in mind, I've only seen about a dozen eps front start to finish).

Ok, I'm stopping before I go on a rant.

I guess my point was that Voyager did have series arc. So let's take count:

TOS: no series arc
TNG: no true series arc
DS9: many character arcs, no overall series arc
VOY: series arc
ENT: ??? - stated, not proven arc so far

Further comments always appriciated.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

They were more of a mosquito villain. Constantly buzzing around and annoying Voyager. It may be they were introduced just to give Seska some muscle-headed thugs to do her bidding.

I think it was the other way arount - Seska was introduced to make the Kazon somewhat more interesting.

I think they could have done more with the Kazon - their background was somewhat interesting. (beeing more or less a slave race that was somehow able to overthrow their oppressors)

Unfortunately, like many good ideas (Maquis vs. Starfleet crew?) in Voyager, it wasn`t good implemented.

The Hirogen were mostly new, though part of the idea was first used in Deep Space Nine with the creature Tosk. Which wasn`t a hunter but the prey of the hunt. But since he was beeing hunted by hunters, we already had a race. But the "trophy"-element is missing, the interest in hunting new, alien species...


But since some people do the 3B (Brannon Braga Bashing) - Who is Who in startrek? Who is responsible for what?

I know from Deep Space Nine:
Producers where Rick Berman and Micheal Piller, the former more responsible for script things...
I think this is the same for Voyager and Enterprise, so what is this Brannon Braga guy all about?

Mustrum Ridcully