Epic class BAB/save progression when you have natural Hit Dice

I'm not completely convinced that a Balor with a single fighter level isn't an "Epic Fighter" for the purposes of taking an Epic Feat. I mean hell, who is going to tell that Balor that he "isn't an Epic Fighter" o.0

"Yes sir, please enjoy your less than stellar Epic Feat selection!... please don't flay my village!"
 

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Looking back I find I was incorrect on the choices an epic character (non-epic level wizard) can choose for bonus feats from the epic list.

All of the following are available:
CRAFT EPIC MAGIC ARMS AND ARMOR [ITEM CREATION] [EPIC]
Prerequisites: Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Knowledge (arcana) 28 ranks, Spellcraft 28 ranks.
Benefit: The character can craft magic arms and armor which exceed the normal limits for such items

CRAFT EPIC ROD [ITEM CREATION][EPIC]
Prerequisites: Craft Rod, Knowledge (arcana) 32 ranks, Spellcraft 32 ranks.
Benefit: The character can craft rods that exceed the normal limits for such items.

CRAFT EPIC STAFF [ITEM CREATION][EPIC]
Prerequisites: Craft Staff, Knowledge (arcana) 35 ranks, Spellcraft 35 ranks.
Benefit: The character can craft staffs that exceed the normal limits for such items.

CRAFT EPIC WONDROUS ITEM [ITEM CREATION][EPIC]
Prerequisites: Craft Wondrous Item, Knowledge (arcana) 26 ranks, Spellcraft 26 ranks.
Benefit: The character can craft wondrous items that exceed the normal limits for such items.

ENHANCE SPELL [METAMAGIC][EPIC]
Prerequisite: Maximize Spell.
Benefit: The damage cap for the character’s spells increases by 10 dice (for spells that deal a number of dice of damage equal to caster level) or by 5 dice (for spells that deal a number of dice of damage equal to half caster level). An enhanced spell uses up a spell slot four levels higher than the spell’s actual level. This feat has no effect on spells that don’t specifically deal a number of dice of damage equal to the caster’s level or half level, even if the spell’s effect is largely dictated by the caster’s level.
Normal: Without this feat, use the damage dice caps indicated in the spell’s description.
Special: A character may gain this feat multiple times. Each time he or she selects this feat, the damage cap increases by 10 dice or 5 dice, as appropriate to the spell, and the enhanced spell takes up a spell slot an additional four levels higher.

FORGE EPIC RING [ITEM CREATION][EPIC]
Prerequisites: Forge Ring, Knowledge (arcana) 35 ranks, Spellcraft 35 ranks.
Benefit: The character can forge magic rings that exceed the normal limits for such items.

INTENSIFY SPELL [METAMAGIC][EPIC]
Prerequisites: Empower Spell, Maximize Spell, Spellcraft 30 ranks, ability to cast 9th-level arcane or divine spells.
Benefit: All variable, numeric effects of an intensified spell are maximized, then doubled. An intensified spell deals twice maximum damage, cures twice the maximum number of hit points, affects twice the maximum number of targets, and so forth, as appropriate. Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected. An intensified spell uses up a spell slot seven levels higher than the spell’s actual level. A character can’t combine the effects of this feat with any other feat that affects the variable, numeric effects of a spell.

SCRIBE EPIC SCROLL [ITEM CREATION][EPIC]
Prerequisites: Scribe Scroll, Knowledge (arcana) 24 ranks, Spellcraft 24 ranks.
Benefit: The character can scribe scrolls that exceed the normal limits for such items. Even this feat does not allow the character to scribe a scroll with an epic spell.

But other than Enhance Spell the skill ranks would put a pretty big damper on when the character is elibible. Which increases the spell slot by 4 and allows a greater max hit dice in damage (all based on caster level).

26 ranks (lowest prerequisite for those with skill rank prerequisites) is a 21st level character.

The wizard still has to meet the other prerequisites (like the other item creation feats) and the cost of making epic level magic items is handled way dfferently than normal ones.


And epic level spell slots are treated as 10th level - so you can't increase the slot used by more than that via using a metamagic feat.
 
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Drowbane said:
I'm not completely convinced that a Balor with a single fighter level isn't an "Epic Fighter" for the purposes of taking an Epic Feat. I mean hell, who is going to tell that Balor that he "isn't an Epic Fighter" o.0

"Yes sir, please enjoy your less than stellar Epic Feat selection!... please don't flay my village!"


He can still use non-fighter bonus feats to acquire them.

Oh and he still can't take weapon specialization until he has 4 levels of fighter either.

But unless the creature specifically has text talking about it being an exception (creatures like hydras are exceptions to the normal rules for monsters) it simply can't.
 

irdeggman said:
26 ranks (lowest prerequisite for those with skill rank prerequisites) is a 21st level character.

The wizard still has to meet the other prerequisites (like the other item creation feats) and the cost of making epic level magic items is handled way dfferently than normal ones.

Yes, and she doesn't have to have 23 levels of wizard. you can be a 11th level wizard / 12th level sorceror and meet the prerequisites.

Tell me, why shouldn't a Paladin 10 / Knight 10 not be able to take a level of fighter and not take an epic feat as one of her bonus fighter feats. Fighter is the feat-taking class.
 


Quartz said:
Yes, and she doesn't have to have 23 levels of wizard. you can be a 11th level wizard / 12th level sorceror and meet the prerequisites.

With a caster level of 12 and max spell level of 6th level. They don't "stack", except for purposes of a "familiar".

And still can't cast epic spells.

So the metamagic spells are real limited.
 
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Drowbane said:
I'm not completely convinced that a Balor with a single fighter level isn't an "Epic Fighter" for the purposes of taking an Epic Feat. I mean hell, who is going to tell that Balor that he "isn't an Epic Fighter" o.0

"Yes sir, please enjoy your less than stellar Epic Feat selection!... please don't flay my village!"

A 21st level character (20 Balor, 1 fighter) gets an epic feat at 21st level and a bonus fighter feat (non-epic)

So with that epic feat he can choose any feat he is eligible for.
 

Quartz said:
Tell me, why shouldn't a Paladin 10 / Knight 10 not be able to take a level of fighter and not take an epic feat as one of her bonus fighter feats. Fighter is the feat-taking class.

Because that would mean the player was cheating and should be dealt with in whatever manner the group reserves for players who cheat.

Getting a bonus epic feat every other level is the sweet reward for slogging through 20 levels of Fighter. It shouldn't go to no Paladin 10/Knight 10.
 

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