Epic D&D 3.5: The Eye of Profane Truth [full]

[Rkhet]

Rkhet: What's your decision on the powerful build trait, as mentioned previously Goliaths also have the exact same trait as Half-Giants, in Races of Stone this trait allows the Goliaths to qualify for feats that only creatures of large size or greater could normally attain (i.e. Rock Hurling, Improved Rock Hurling, Fling Ally, & Fling Enemy), thus is seemed reasonable too assume that this trait allows them to qualify for everything where large size is a requirement.

Obviously I'm hoping you'll agree with me and allow me to submit Durkon the Half-Giant Fighter/War Hulk, if not it's back to the drawing boards for another character.

I don't have RoS. But from what I heard, the feat entries specifically mentions that the Goliath qualifies for those feats, yes? Looks like a special case scenario to me. Either way, in the interest of resolving this quickly, I'll just put on my DM fiat and say no.

I have no idea why you wouldn't just go for the permanency+enlarge combo, though. you can use the exact same build, and the effects will even stack to give you access to Huge weapons.

 

[Rkhet]

Mwah!

Can't post details yet...but I think I've found some new combos that will be -plenty- good for this. Oh my, yes. Preliminary calcs show AC in the low 70's, spell DC's in the mid 40's...and that's just the beginning.

You may regret having asked me to revise my character. >

Heh. Interesting... let's reverse engineer:

There are very, very few effects that boost DC other than to boost the dependant stat. For a CR30, maximum achievable stat for a human:

18 base +5 inherent +7 level +12 enhancement (if you shell out for it) = 42

for a 9th level spell:

DC=(42-10)/2+10+9=35

If you define 'mid 40s' as 45 and discount Spell Focus (because the feat suck), that means a minimum of +20 to either Int, Wis, or Cha. Now:

However, I've always been a sucker for sorcery. I can't help it.

So I'm guessing Cha.

ACs in the 70s I can get from a human, so that's not much to go on... if I have to guess, though, I'm going to say either massive natural AC or Cha-to-AC (or both).

Races with ~30 Cha and an AC boost... hrm. Pretty narrow list. It's a shame I don't have my books with me. Is it Succubus?

Whatever it is, though, is it worth sucking up the LA, I wonder? The only race truly worth it that I've found is Ethergaunt, and that's already banned.

 

[Rkhet]

Kafkonia wrote:

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Given that the characters are only a few hours old, does that mean we can assume they didn't have the chance to read the various tomes/manuals in the DMG prior to game start?


If that's the case, then I'm really gonna be hosed, because that's proving to be a large part of how I'm trying to build up my concept, especially since I can't have all stat-boosting items on all the time in addition to the other things I need to make my warlock concept workable -- the unfortunate drawbacks of a character with multiple stat dependency. And I wanted to be unique, since most concepts presented so far are wizard/sorcerers -- hence the warlock choice.

Let's have less of the whining. The rules are the same for everyone.

That said, assume Tomes and Manuals to be already read, and all permanent spells already cast.

 

[Wrahn]

If that's the case, then I'm really gonna be hosed, because that's proving to be a large part of how I'm trying to build up my concept, especially since I can't have all stat-boosting items on all the time in addition to the other things I need to make my warlock concept workable -- the unfortunate drawbacks of a character with multiple stat dependency. And I wanted to be unique, since most concepts presented so far are wizard/sorcerers -- hence the warlock choice.

Besides which, that isn't the only way to get inherent bonuses some (like buying scrolls of wish) are slightly more expensive, others (like hiring a mage to cast 5 wishes on you) are less (but open to GM allowing you to do it)

 

[Rkhet]

Besides which, that isn't the only way to get inherent bonuses some (like buying scrolls of wish) are slightly more expensive, others (like hiring a mage to cast 5 wishes on you) are less (but open to GM allowing you to do it)

The last option isn't legal. From srd, goods and services:

"If the spell has a focus component (other than a divine focus), add 1/10 the cost of that focus to the cost of the spell. If the spell has an XP cost, add 5 gp per XP lost. "

"If the additional costs put the spell’s total cost above 3,000 gp, that spell is not generally available."

Cost of hiring a Wish is

17*90+5000*5=26,530.

 

[Wrahn]

The last option isn't legal. From srd, goods and services:

"If the spell has a focus component (other than a divine focus), add 1/10 the cost of that focus to the cost of the spell. If the spell has an XP cost, add 5 gp per XP lost. "

"If the additional costs put the spell’s total cost above 3,000 gp, that spell is not generally available."

Cost of hiring a Wish is

17*90+5000*5=26,530.

well it is legal, as long as you allow it (generally not available, to me means if the GM says that option is available, it is, just ask first, which is what I alluded to in the paranthetical after that option)

 

[Wrahn]

Rkhet,

Do we have some kind of plan here? How many people are you accepting and who? Do we have a start date? Or a character submission deadline?

 

[Shayuri]

Hehe. That'll teach me to brag.

In truth, sir, the rebuild I'm working on is not human...though is not a succubus either. My initial claims on DC were a bit situational too...based on a PrC that I later decided not to take. Though I suppose I could go back and do that if this build is also too weak.

The race is pixie. +4 ECL, but it takes on the HD of its class, so there's no paying for monster levels. Good racial spiffs and powers that will save me spell picks (don't need flight, invisibility, etc). Very good racial DR and SR. And it's core.

Also getting Fatespinner for a limited ability to buff DC's, and Divine Oracle for the Oracle Domain (most of those spells I wouldn't cast more than 1/day anyway ) and good defensive abilities seldom available to caster types.

The PrC I considered, and decided against are twofold. One was Mindbender...discarded because of the casterlevel hit, and because of the number of epic foes that are immune to mind control. Plus, it steps close to violating the "no cohort" rule. The other was Elemental Savant, which has good defensive powers in turning your type elemental, and boosts your offense with a single energy type. Choose against it because I wanted some flexibility in energy types. It's still a good choice though, and I may revise again to take it...

Thoughts?

 

[Rkhet]

well it is legal, as long as you allow it (generally not available, to me means if the GM says that option is available, it is, just ask first, which is what I alluded to in the paranthetical after that option)

Ah. Well, in that case, the answer is no. You want your inherent bonus, you'll have to buy the books.

Rkhet,

Do we have some kind of plan here? How many people are you accepting and who? Do we have a start date? Or a character submission deadline?

Well, we do need to move it along a bit.

This is the RG thread:

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=165355

Submit the crunch plus a couple of paragraphs (or more if you wish) worth of fluff. You don't need to have everything, but I expect you to have race, class and feats down at least, and mostly stick to it afterwards.

Deadline is this Friday, GMT 23:00 (which is actually Saturday for me). I will be picking four characters from the submitted entries.

Then we'll take one week to finish with the builds/make sure it's all legal/etc. The game starts the following Friday, barring delays.

 

[Rkhet]

Here's a few previous Epic RG threads. The rules are a little different, but maybe you'll get something out of it:

Scion of the Endless Falls:
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=105225

Judgement Day, Good PCs:
http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=137885

Judgement Day, Evil PCs:
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=137886

Eye of the Profane Truth (last time)
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=142638