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I can't believe how out of control the responses are to this rumor. Even if it is true in full or in part it is probably only being considered and its not all that bad if it is set in stone.

The first rumor that they are working on it. Yes I suppose that they probably are a good redesign that is worthy of being called Dungeons and Dragons will take several years to develop.

As to when it will be released I don't see how it could be before 2008 since they have already released their list of Jan. thru Apr 2007 release schedule and there is no sign of slowing down. One product which is a super module for FR actually mentions that is the first of three in a set. WOTC always releases there biggest products around gencon and why would they change now. I think they might annonce it sometime in 2007 either in summer or perhaps in Dec.

As to the second rumor of it being heavy mini related well duh! what do you think they are going to to with it. Mini's sell well (I certainly have enough of them) and they will want to keep on selling mini's. And I hate to admit it but I like playing the game with my mini's.

Also mini's need D+D to sell, I imagine their are only three reasons to buy these mini's 1. because you just like to display them. 2.because you play the minitures game or some other mini's game and finally 3. because you use them as prop in your D+D game. or finally all of the above. If wizards lost reason three they might as well stop selling mini's.

Now on to rumor number three about smaller packages. Where does everyone get the idea of this meaning cards or collecting. I take it to mean instead of 3 320 page books maybe there will be 6 192 page books, or something similar I,ve always thought that it wouldn't hard to separate magic out of the PH with a separte book for spells and maybe even magic items. So there could be a character book, a magic book, a DM book, a combat book, a monster book and a options books.

Finally to the last rumor, selling the RPG department. This if it is true is not the same as selling D+D. If they sold D+D they would lose the right to use the name with their mini's and their video games and all other endorsements and lisences, thus leaving them with magic as their only money maker since D+D and mini's are tied together.

Selling their RPG department however would be more like when they sold the Magazine dept. to Paizo. You have to realize that Paizo does not own dungeon or dragon magazines, they don't even own the content that they put into them. Paizo simply took over running the periodicals dept and they inherited those wizards emplyees that worked in those depts. And now they publish those magazine and take the risks as well as the profits and since they are much smaller than WOTC they can make a profit, And I might add they do a fantastic job which helps them I'm sure.

So all that being said what selling The RPG dept would mean is that a third party company would be granted lisense to use all of WOTC's D+D product identity to produce D+D supplements to support the new 4E game. That company might also inherit all of their RPG employees as well. I'm sure they would still work closely with WOTC in order to coordinate with the minature dept. and with Paizo and the magazines (That is if Paizo isn"t the lucky lisencee,)
 

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Lady Dragon said:
I can't believe how out of control the responses are to this rumor. Even if it is true in full or in part it is probably only being considered and its not all that bad if it is set in stone.

I agree with a large portion of what you posted, but I don't think they'e "out of control..." seems a little more in control then a lot of rumor based gossip I've seen on the internet. Most in the thread seem as if they are ready and willing to admit they have no real idea about 4e at all... And are just speculating...


Lady Dragon said:
Also mini's need D+D to sell, I imagine their are only three reasons to buy these mini's 1. because you just like to display them. 2.because you play the minitures game or some other mini's game and finally 3. because you use them as prop in your D+D game. or finally all of the above. If wizards lost reason three they might as well stop selling mini's.

This I dissagree with as well... Perhaps if D&D hadn't existed the minis wouldn't have sold... But a large number of people seem to play the D&D minis game because they like it, regardless of the RPG game...
 

I share Provik's fear. Some day it will all just be on little random cards and any chance we have of having real books will be out the window. :p It's already starting with character generation...
 

Scribble said:
This I dissagree with as well... Perhaps if D&D hadn't existed the minis wouldn't have sold... But a large number of people seem to play the D&D minis game because they like it, regardless of the RPG game...

Like many folks have said, not only do lots of people play the minis game as a stand-alone, it is also more profitable for WotC. Books, while profitable, may not be profitable enough in the corporate scheme.

Nevertheless, I'm sure we'll always have the triumvirate of D&D (PHB, DMG, MM), we just might not get all the sourcebooks we're used to seeing.
 

*is more concerned they'll just do minis and nothing else* This is another reason I don't buy minis from WotC. Just not sure I want to say "Yes Hasbro, shaft us RPGers!"
 

Nightfall said:
I share Provik's fear. Some day it will all just be on little random cards and any chance we have of having real books will be out the window. :p It's already starting with character generation...
I'm assuming you're referring to the 3d6/4d6 rolls for characters...

Random ability scores are a staple of D&D. How is this "already starting" if it's been a part of the system for so long? Even diaglo uses randomly generated ability scores.
 

Genshou,

Check out Dragon 346. They use CARDS instead of just "dice" to do random rolls. That's what I'm talking about.
 

Nightfall said:
Genshou,

Check out Dragon 346. They use CARDS instead of just "dice" to do random rolls. That's what I'm talking about.
Eww. How about I don't check out Dragon 346 and we never speak of this horror again, lest we summon the minions of an unfathomable horror buried deep beneath our oceans.
 

Well it's not ALL bad Genshou, but the fact is they are working very slowly to replacing dice rolls and point buy based on card draws.

yeah it's coming folks.
 


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