D&D 5E Everything aboot 5E looks boring.

[n00bdragon]

It's kind of frightening and kind of amusing how many "don't let the door hit you on the way out" voices there are for an edition that prides itself on being inclusive.

Sure, "D&DN is boring" isn't really constructive, but then neither is "Well I like it so your viewpoint is invalid."

 

[ExploderWizard]

It's kind of frightening and kind of amusing how many "don't let the door hit you on the way out" voices there are for an edition that prides itself on being inclusive.

Sure, "D&DN is boring" isn't really constructive, but then neither is "Well I like it so your viewpoint is invalid."

There is really little else to be done if the reasons for said boredom are not forthcoming.

Bored + why= feedback= changes=feedback= more changes.

If you don't speak up about what is boring you, the designers can't fix it.

 

[Henry]

Sure, "D&DN is boring" isn't really constructive, but then neither is "Well I like it so your viewpoint is invalid."

In my experience on Internet forums, these two responses beg one another's mutual existence.

Frankly I think Exploder Wizard's responses were pretty constructive to several of the problems expressed - first, there's plenty of choice out there if the mechanics aren't grabbing someone yet, and complaining for the sake of complaining without detailed feedback, especially on an alpha test, isn't very pointed. Secondly, the option of adapting plots and adventures has always been around, and depending on simplicity of game system requires very little prep time to do.

I probably may not end up using 5E, but I respect that I'm only looking at a skeleton right now.

 

[Ichneumon]

We got the sentiment for free. Does getting the content require a coin to be inserted?

I would love a D&D Next that excites us both, but if you don't elaborate, it won't happen.

 

[triqui]

It's kind of frightening and kind of amusing how many "don't let the door hit you on the way out" voices there are for an edition that prides itself on being inclusive.

Sure, "D&DN is boring" isn't really constructive, but then neither is "Well I like it so your viewpoint is invalid."

I didn't say his point is invalid. I said this game is not his cup of tea, so he should play any other, not that his taste for any other isn't valid.

In the past, we (as a community) tried to convince "the other side" that they were wrong not liking "our" edition of choice. We've learned.

So now, when we see such unconstructive stuff as "DDN is boring", we realize that it's either:
a) a troll attempt to start a flame war
b) a honest expresion of a diferent taste for rpg playstyle.

I don't want to deal with trolls, and I'm not going to try to convince him that his tastes are "wrong" and he "should have fun" with the edition becouse I do. So, in any case, I'd rather have the OP to close the door gently when he leaves.

 

[BobTheNob]

I didn't say his point is invalid. I said this game is not his cup of tea, so he should play any other, not that his taste for any other isn't valid.

In the past, we (as a community) tried to convince "the other side" that they were wrong not liking "our" edition of choice. We've learned.

So now, when we see such unconstructive stuff as "DDN is boring", we realize that it's either:
a) a troll attempt to start a flame war
b) a honest expresion of a diferent taste for rpg playstyle.

I don't want to deal with trolls, and I'm not going to try to convince him that his tastes are "wrong" and he "should have fun" with the edition becouse I do. So, in any case, I'd rather have the OP to close the door gently when he leaves.

Damn if you do, damned if you dont. I think your dead right, but apparently others dont.

At the end of the day, this is a bad thread. So many people forget that a Forum is a medium intended for open discussion. The GOOD threads remember this and are raised in order to stimulate discussion. The BAD threads are like this one...just spouting opinion in a negative manner with the only potential discussion turning dark.

Dont stress, this thread was bound to create poor discussion because it was a poor thread.

 

[Vyvyan Basterd]

You can still buy one today. I have one on the shelf that isn't going anywhere.

I don't want the books. I really like the ease of having copy-pastable material at my fingertips. I know it sounds like I'm complaining, but I'm willing to deal with the decisions I've made. It's just that the "they can't take away your books" thing is no longer a valid argument for some of us if they pull the plug on DDi. I hope like tlantl that they do keep support rolling, but I also keep hoping to win the lottery.

Do what everyone does, convert adventures you like to your system of choice.

Done that. Not happy with the results. It takes alot of work to move from the assumptions and style of pre-4E to those of 4E to create something I'm happy with. Time I wish I had. I've done it successfully for one-shots, but a full campaign proved to be too much.

 

[triqui]

I don't want the books. I really like the ease of having copy-pastable material at my fingertips. I know it sounds like I'm complaining, but I'm willing to deal with the decisions I've made. It's just that the "they can't take away your books" thing is no longer a valid argument for some of us if they pull the plug on DDi. I hope like tlantl that they do keep support rolling, but I also keep hoping to win the lottery.

They should really sell the PDF. That will cover your bases.

 

[Yora]

Though it was completely forseeable when DDI was introduced, that this was a real possibility that is almost guaranteed to happen at some point. Not saying that they made this clear enough to anyone who hopped on the train, but I think most people should always have been aware of this.

 

[ExploderWizard]

Though it was completely forseeable when DDI was introduced, that this was a real possibility that is almost guaranteed to happen at some point. Not saying that they made this clear enough to anyone who hopped on the train, but I think most people should always have been aware of this.

This is a possibility with anything you rent rather than buy. The owner can always decide that the product in question is no longer for rent.

This is why Machete don't rent tabletop rpg material.

 

[Vyvyan Basterd]

Though it was completely forseeable when DDI was introduced, that this was a real possibility that is almost guaranteed to happen at some point. Not saying that they made this clear enough to anyone who hopped on the train, but I think most people should always have been aware of this.

It was 100% clear to me from the start. All I was countering was that "they can't take your books away" is not a valid statement for those of us who rely on DDi to prep and run the game. They can take my book away this time and if I don't end up liking 5E I guess I won't be playing D&D anymore. I am hopeful for the final product but my enthusiasm so far is waning. The only semi-constructive criticism I can offer is that it feels like a bunch of guys sitting around the kitchen table writing down a bunch of random house rules hoping that a coherent game will evolve. To me that's bad, I'm sure others like that feel. I assume over time that feel will fade as the game gels better, but so far my initial excitement for 5e has lessened considerably.

 

[P1NBACK]

It's kind of frightening and kind of amusing how many "don't let the door hit you on the way out" voices there are for an edition that prides itself on being inclusive.

Sure, "D&DN is boring" isn't really constructive, but then neither is "Well I like it so your viewpoint is invalid."

This comment is .

Mod note: Watch your language, please. Those who cannot keep a civil tongue will be deemed uncivil, and given a break from the discussion. ~Umbran

There were like a dozen of us who posted, "Hey, tell us what is boring you..." before there was a single "don't let the door..." post.

 

[Dausuul]

The flip side of the DDI issue is that the cost of keeping 4E DDI up and running is extremely low, and it provides a steady revenue stream. As long as there's a substantial 4E player base, it's basically free money.

I expect 4E will remain available through DDI for quite a while. There may not be any new content, but I doubt the old is going anywhere.

 

[Libramarian]

I think it's definitely a boring game right now. Of course we haven't seen the full game yet.

It's boring because all the rules just resolve stuff. There aren't a lot of rules that make fun stuff happen yet. No content generation tools, tools for keeping track of organizations, tools for keeping track of NPC relationships, adventure building tools, nothing to spend money on, alignment doesn't do anything, no tools for tracking shifts in alignment. There's no way to earn XP besides fighting monsters. XP doesn't give the players a goal; it's just a circuitous way to control the pace of advancement.

Right now it's combat and some ability score checks. I.e. it's one of those RPGs that believes the purpose of RPGs is to allow you to play cops and robbers without getting into arguments about who shot whom. Which is boring, yes.

Hopefully the fun stuff is coming.

I want to playtest a first draft of the DMG.

 

[slobster]

I.e. it's one of those RPGs that believes the purpose of RPGs is to allow you to play cops and robbers without getting into arguments about who shot whom. Which is boring, yes.

Alternatively, no RPG can codify in game rules how you ask and answer questions of morality and theme. D&D provides a framework for fictional resolution of situations that address such goals, taking care of the details so that your attention can be focused on the big picture.

I hope never to have to roll a d20 to determine whether "the ends justify the means", or what "the meaning of sacrifice" is.

 

[The Shadow]

I hope never to have to roll a d20 to determine whether "the ends justify the means", or what "the meaning of sacrifice" is.

When that happens, I just use my Determinism class ability to dictate how the dice will fall.

(I Kant believe I just wrote that...)

 

[slobster]

When that happens, I just use my Determinism class ability to dictate how the dice will fall.

(I Kant believe I just wrote that...)

Groooaaaann!

Awful. Truly awful. It sounds like you might be playing a game of Dungeons and Discourse.

 

[triqui]

Alternatively, no RPG can codify in game rules how you ask and answer questions of morality and theme.

Some have tried. Pendragon was famous for it's passions and virtues and how you had to roll against your "frugality" to go to a fest or roll against "temerity" to withdraw from a battle. You even had a score to know how much you loved your lady.

 

[The Shadow]

Groooaaaann!

Awful. Truly awful.

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week! Try the veal!

It sounds like you might be playing a game of Dungeons and Discourse.

I would TOTALLY buy that game!!

 

[Remathilis]

That was a truly awe-inspiring OP.