Fair trade thread 2?

[Psionicist]

Hi again.

Here's another option:

Rogue mod
- Remove all combat abilities.
- Remove Saving throws.
- Remove Sneak Attack
- Add 4 sp / level for a total of 12 sp / level
- Add Knowledge as class skill (take individual as bard and wizard)

Opinions?

 

[whatisitgoodfor]

Ok, correct me if I have this wrong.

BAB= +0 /level
Saves = +0/level

Skills: As Rogue, + Knowledge (any), and 12 SP/level

Rogue Special Abilities: No sneak attack, No rogue SA except Skill Mastery, Improved Evasion?, Slippery Mind, and extra feat.

It looks like it could be a fun character to play, but if the party ever does anything involving combat you'll be worse than useless.

 

[CRGreathouse]

BAB and saves as commoner would still be balanced, IMO.

 

[Crothian]

Ya, give yourself the worst BAB and all saving throws plus remove all sneak attacks and it should be balanced.

 

[Cloudgatherer]

I actually think that's a little underpowered. Removing combat abilities and sneak attack is severely going to limit the rogues combat (and it's a combat based XP system).

 

[Psionicist]

Nice

But I HAD to remove a lots of things as I will only use this on level 1, then go Wizard all the way (thread 1).

Is it still unbalanced?

 

[whatisitgoodfor]

Of course it is.

Any class that you are specifically designing to take only for 1 level is inherently unbalanced.

If you are designing a class fromt the ground up, then it should perfectly fit your character concept, and you shouldn't need any multiclassing.

Doing it this way just makes you a shameless muchkin powergamer. I'll probably post later, when I can think of more bad words to call you for doing this.

 

[Crothian]

I would have to say yes, it is unbalance, because you are specifically just trying to get a bunch of skill points. Now, a class like this that a PC was going to stick with, I'd have less of a problem with.

But then I frown at people taking the one level of Ranger just for the bonus feats or taking the basic rogue class just for the skill points (especially at level 1). I don't feel it's in the spirit of the classes and it takes advantage of the rules to much.

 

[CRGreathouse]

4 skill points and one class skill for the loss of sneak attack and +2 Reflex saves? It's cool.

 

[whatisitgoodfor]

CRGreathouse: He's getting 16 skill points and 4 class skills (if he maxxes them out) for the cost a 1d6 sneak attack and a +2 to relfex.