Falcon and winter solider

[MarkB]

Because even if Sam wasn't the new Captain America he's still a useful addition even if its to find out what actually happened to Steve Rogers.

I'm not sure where you're going with this. Sam's already working with the government / military on a contractor basis. Are you suggesting that they'd take his suit and then try to use it as leverage to make him work for them full time and/or tell them more than he wants to? That doesn't sound remotely viable.

So does this mean the US Military are still using that suit because that's not the impression I've been getting.

Whether they're still using it or not, it's their tech. They either have suits in storage, or the ability to make them if they want them. And if they have phased it out, and are therefore no longer training soldiers to pilot it, that's even less reason why they'd want to take Sam's suit - they'd have nobody else to fly it.

 

[Umbran]

Whether they're still using it or not, it's their tech. They either have suits in storage, or the ability to make them if they want them. And if they have phased it out, and are therefore no longer training soldiers to pilot it, that's even less reason why they'd want to take Sam's suit - they'd have nobody else to fly it.

My recollection is that they had already mothballed the program before we ever saw the wings. It presumably had already proven to be nonviable for military deployment.

I mean... consider the training accidents. There ain't no ejection seat on those things.

 

[Omand]

My recollection is that they had already mothballed the program before we ever saw the wings. It presumably had already proven to be nonviable for military deployment.

I mean... consider the training accidents. There ain't no ejection seat on those things.

I agree, remember back to when we first met Sam, he told Steve that in his last mission his wingman died. Then later when the reveal was that he had the suit, not a jet, the joke was all around Steve believing he was a pilot and doing a double-take.

The wingman was obviously another military member flying another powered wing suit. Not clear if it was enemy action or pilot error or suit issues that caused the death (it may have been mentioned, but I forget the exact wording in the scene).

Cheers

 

[MarkB]

I agree, remember back to when we first met Sam, he told Steve that in his last mission his wingman died. Then later when the reveal was that he had the suit, not a jet, the joke was all around Steve believing he was a pilot and doing a double-take.

The wingman was obviously another military member flying another powered wing suit. Not clear if it was enemy action or pilot error or suit issues that caused the death (it may have been mentioned, but I forget the exact wording in the scene).

Cheers

His buddy got taken out with an RPG round.

The movie doesn't specify whether the project was mothballed. It does state that the only suit available was in secure storage somewhere, but that might have just been the only one in the vicinity of Washington DC.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I really like the idea that Sam is the only one who's ever been able to master using the suit, and that it's just too dangerous for the military to get anyone else to wear.

 

[Morrus]

How does it compare to the Iron Man suit (and War Machine copies)?

 

[trappedslider]

His buddy got taken out with an RPG round.

The movie doesn't specify whether the project was mothballed. It does state that the only suit available was in secure storage somewhere, but that might have just been the only one in the vicinity of Washington DC.

It was at Fort Meade behind a lot of security EXO-7 Falcon

So his current suit is owned by the USAF and in turn the government,just like the other suits. So for a while Sam was in possession of stolen property

 

[Umbran]

How does it compare to the Iron Man suit (and War Machine copies)?

First and foremost... it isn't full-body armor. It isn't laden with repulsors and other weapons.

It is less a suit, and more a jetpack with wings.

 

[Zardnaar]

That's great for you. However, it is actually pretty real, and calling it cartoonish is kind of dismissive of the people who live under the burden of it, you know?

Not American and a lot of it does come across as cartoonish. Our stuff dealing with topics like that tends to be a lot more hard hitting.

Captain America doesn't appeal that much as not American so red white and blue does nothing for me. Americans had GI Joe and superhero comics, we had ones on WW2. Literally named War, Battle and Commando.

I thought the scene was great and executed well. Multiple ways to interpret it. If you want to see more and how it plays out it did it's job.

 

[trappedslider]

so, Sharon got labeled an enemy of the state for giving Cap and Sam back their gear in CW, Zemo's in prison (but for how long?)

Also, seems that the government kept at the super solider serum and had at least one active during the Korean War.

Also, I bet Dr. Reynor went got herself a drink or two afterwards lol