Falcon and winter solider

[Umbran]

On a slightly different topic, we’ve got two episodes left to find out if Zemo goes after Isaiah Bradley. He was definitely listening while Sam and Bucky talked about him on the jet.

Also, if Old Cap is still alive and Zemo finds out, he’ll probably want to finish him off, too. Zemo on the loose is bad news.

Zemo is a bit of a fanatic, but he seems more than capable of prioritizing. He works with Bucky, whose existence he despises, to go after what looks like a bigger threat - the Flag Smashers and the serum.

In terms of threats, I don't think Old Cap and Isaiah are high on the list. They are old men, inactive. The threat they represent is only as a source for data to make more serum. I expect the world will always have enough active super-powered threats for him to be concerned with that the inactive ones will simply die before he gets to them.

 

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[RangerWickett]

I appreciated that the show almost got political when Zemo was talking to Sam about needing to stop supers from existing, and Sam could've said something like "You know people with a lot of money have caused more trouble than anyone with super strength has, right?"

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Yes, well, super soldiers are a thing he can get a handle on. They are a part of (what he sees as) the problem he can conceivably deal with. And, as noted, if he can use them as weapons against each other, all the better.

I mean that’s fair but on the other hand, at best he is ignoring all the other threats out there. The Avengers are, as of Civil War, the only people on Earth who could have stopped the alien invasion. Because Hulk can wrestle a living ship the size of an aircraft carrier. That’s terrifying, sure, but it’s objectively, rationally, a good thing that Hulk was around and of a mind to help when the chitauri invaded.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

While that happened in Latvian territory, the man who was killed was not Latvian. The Flag Smashers are certainly classified as a terrorist organization, and their membership as whatever terrorist and/or enemy combatant rules they have by the EU, which muddies the waters.

Under real world law it's no more legal for a foreign national to murder a terrorist than it is for them to murder an upstanding citizen. "clear and present danger" defence would only apply to local law enforcement.

Regardless, Walker brutally killed a man in front of a crowd of cameras. The rules of engagement are secondary to public opinion concerning the poster boy.

True, but his actions are also clearly illegal and a violation of national sovereignty. Not that the USA doesn't do that sometimes (e.g. murder of Bin Laden in Pakistan), but not when the country is an EU member state.

 

[Tonguez]

Under real world law it's no more okay for a foreign national to murder a terrorist than it is for them to murder an upstanding citizen. "clear and present danger" defence would only apply to local law enforcement.

True, but his actions are also clearly illegal and a violation of national sovereignty. Not that the USA doesn't do that sometimes, but not when the country is an EU member state.

In the post-Blip world we dont even know if the EU still exists, what we do know is that the GRC is an International Organisation that helps navigate the changes in society and borders AND that Walker works for the GRC apparently with Policing Authority.

"The Global Repatriation Council knows that for many it wasn’t that easy. So much has changed. But we’re here to help you find your way. Helping you back into your homes and jobs. Helping you navigate changes to society, laws, and borders. Helping you get back to the way things were.”

Unfortunately, I doubt Marvel Studios is ever going to explain its international politics in any great detail and that we’ll be left ever trying to glean just what it going on

 

[Paul Farquhar]

In the post-Blip world we dont even know if the EU still exists, what we do know is that the GRC is an International Organisation that helps navigate the changes in society and borders AND that Walker works for the GRC apparently with Policing Authority.



Unfortunately, I doubt Marvel Studios is ever going to explain its international politics in any great detail and that we’ll be left ever trying to glean just what it going on

I'm not sure the writers have even realised Latvia is in the EU, and therefore anyone from an EU member state has every right to be there - they are not foreign nationals or illegal immigrants.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Wasn’t Tony manipulated by Wanda? His fears were amplified and he was given a strong push. A claim can be made that he wasn’t entirely of a right mind when he made Ultron.
TomB

No. Both Wanda and Tony insist she showed him a vision, not a fabrication. Which makes a lot more sense with her powers retconned to be magic.

 

[hopeless]

She played on his fears and those fears created the situation that inspired him to create Ultron once he had access to the mind stone.
So it may have been a vision, but that vision was very flawed.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

She played on his fears and those fears created the situation that inspired him to create Ultron once he had access to the mind stone.
So it may have been a vision, but that vision was very flawed.

Wanda's visions are accurate. Steve goes back to the past. Asgard is destroyed. The Avengers are destroyed and the shield smashed. The creation of Ultron is an entirely rational defence against the threat of Thanos, and would have been effective had it not been for a random glitch. It had to fail only because Wanda's visions are inescapable. She is the Scarlet Witch.