Feint on rougues or barbarians with uncannt dodge (dex to AC)

[sty]

Supose, of course, the defender believe the feint (lost the bluff x sense motive check)....

So, if you feint in combat a rougue or a barbarian with uncannydodge (dex to AC), what happens!?
Does de defender loses his dex bonus to AC!? Or if he retains the dex bonus and the attacker has expert tatician, would the attacker have a partial action!?

What I mean, if a gladiator 10th level (6 fght and 4 glad) feint a caracter with uncanny dodge (dex to AC), for example a 2nd lvl rougue, the defender doesn´t lose the dex bonus at all!?!?
It seems not corret to me.....

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

You use Bluff to fool the barbarian, so you can still sneak attack or get that extra attack from Expert Tactician. Gladiator PrC owns barbarians and rogues

 

[kreynolds]

You use Bluff to fool the barbarian, so you can still sneak attack or get that extra attack from Expert Tactician.

But the Barbarian and Rogue can't loose their Dex bonus to AC except when attacked by another barbarian or rogue 4 levels higher than them, thus expert tactician wouldn't work in this case.

 

[coyote6]

But the Barbarian and Rogue can't loose their Dex bonus to AC except when attacked by another barbarian or rogue 4 levels higher than them, thus expert tactician wouldn't work in this case.

FWIW, I think the "4 levels higher" exception applies only to being flanked. In any case, they don't lose their Dex bonus to AC due to surprise attacks or attacks by invisible opponents, but they are still vulnerable to losing Dex bonus due to being tied up, climbing (without some other special ability), stunned, etc.

I'm fairly certain that uncanny dodge doesn't protect against feints.

 

[BIGLOU]

In the SRD it says

Uncanny Dodge: At 3rd level and above, the Assassin retains a Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) if caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker.

It sys the same for any other class that has it. According to the SRD I believe that Bluff does remove the Dex bonus and makes them vulnerable to Expert Tactician or Sneak Attack.

Lou

 

[AGGEMAM]

I think Uncanny Dodge is little overrated, it only works under very specific circumstances, ie being caught flat-footed, struck by an invisble attacker, and later when flanked.

UD doesn't help against feinting, though.

 

[sty]

Thanks!

Thanks everyone!!!
I did think that it would work, but I wasn´t sure!!!
So expert tatitian is very usefull if you know how to use it (Must have a high bluff check!!!)

And if you are the first one in the round, and you attack a rougue (flat fotted, but he has uncanny dodge, so not flat fotted), will you have the extra partial action!?!?

 

[AGGEMAM]

Re: Thanks!

And if you are the first one in the round, and you attack a rougue (flat fotted, but he has uncanny dodge, so not flat fotted), will you have the extra partial action!?!?

Nope!

 

[kreynolds]

UD doesn't help against feinting, though.

I don't believe feinting helps you against someone with uncanny dodge. The only time a rogue loses her dex bonus to AC is when she is immobilized.

 

[AGGEMAM]

I don't believe feinting helps you against someone with uncanny dodge. The only time a rogue loses her dex bonus to AC is when she is immobilized.

Whatever gave that idea???

So you're saying they retain dex while climbing too???

RTFM!!!